Talk:Wives of Henry VIII

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Contradiction with the article "Anne Boleyn"[edit]

This article says that the six wives are "queen consorts". But the article on Anne Boleyn says that she was the last "queen consort" in England. One of these statements, therefore, is false, since other partners to Henry VIII followed Anne. Please fix. Sorry for any violation of Wikipedia editing/contribution protocol as I'm quite ignorant of the correct process. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.60.29.210 (talk) 22:01, 25 June 2010 (UTC) Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page).

No violation, you're very welcome to edit. All six were wives of the king, and thus queen consorts, as were many after them. The Anne Boleyn article says: 'She was the last Queen Consort of England to be crowned separately from her husband.' This is true, all others have either not had a coronation (including the last 4 of Henry VIII's wives) or been crowned alongside their husbands. I hope that clears it up. Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 08:09, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Table[edit]

Perhaps this page is the appropriate place for the table on the Wives of Henry VIII which is now on the Talk:Henry_VIII_of_England page? Doo doo — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.30.76.41 (talk) 23:28, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Mistresses section removal[edit]

I removed the following text from the Mistresses section:

Seymours and Howards didn't get along at all. Madge was Anne Shelton's daugter and Anne beat Princess Mary up horribly.They were, no doubt, rivals. Jane was either played by her little and big brother who'dboth be executed during her son's reign, just did what the king wanted, or she ( like what Anne & I believe) knew exactly what she was doing and thought of ways to get his attention. Jane was loyal to Catalina/ Catherine and Mary. Jane restored daughter Mary to Henry's favor and even tried to convince him to make her a princess again. Henry and his big ego declared that because Mary's was someone else's daughter, it'd be a no. The two were talking about marriage and sons even before Anne got the chop, thus wedding eleven days later in dazzingly white. She, too, refused to be his mistress. There were also others between 1510 and 1527, when he fell in love with Anne Boleyn.

It seems fairly nonsensical; if anyone can find legitimate information in this section or can clean it up and add it back in, please be my guest. --biriwilg 02:33, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Was Anne Boleyn really born in 1501? I don't believe it. Then she would already have been 32 when she gave birth to Elizabeth - quite old for a first child - about the same age when Catherine of Aragon had her last child (stillbirth). There's another year (1504) in the article about Anne Boleyn.

The article about Anne Boleyn actually says 1501/1507. If this article is going to say 1501, she was not 28 when she died, but 35. Richardson mcphillips1 02:34, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
Anne's year of birth is a mystery that is unlikely to be solved. 1501 and 1507 are the most popular dates, but guesses range between 1500 and 1512. I personally side with the 1507 side of the argument; if it's not the right date, I'd say that it's closer to it than 1501. The statement that Anne was 28 at the time of her death stems, in part, from a statement by Jane Dormer, lady-in-waiting to Mary I, that Anne was nearly 29 when she was executed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.47.42.32 (talk) 08:39, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Good move 'biriwilg,' that paragraph was terrible, keep it out. It also expresses thought, rather than fact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.82.117.132 (talk) 09:57, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Anne Boleyn, Catherine Howard annulled?[edit]

Henry had his marriage to Anne Boleyn annulled a few days before she was killed. There is some controversy about Catherine Howard - if she had a legitimate pre-contract with Dereham then she was not really married to Henry. the BBC says her marriage to Henry was annulled - http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/actionnetwork/A2666216, http://www.themakeupgallery.info/period/c16/henry/index.htm Richardson mcphillips1 03:11, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

I can't remember where I read it, but I though this was a 'proper' marriage, if it wasn't the adultery charge is contradicatory, I'll see if I can find the source. Bevo74 (talk) 11:30, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Henry had four of his marriages annulled, including that to Catherine Howard. It made the adultery charges a nonsense in the case of both Catherine and Anne Boleyn. By the law of the time, it was a grey area whether discussing plans for marriage and having sexual relations counted as making you already married; it was a valid reason for annulment, certainly the most valid of the four. Boleyn (talk) 11:35, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

I found the book I thought suggested otherwise, you were right, it says the number of true marriages depends on your view on religion but Catherine Howard wasn't included either way. Bevo74 (talk) 21:03, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Dates question[edit]

It says that Anne Boleyn survived from 1501-1536 but it says she was beheaded at 28. One set of numbers is wrong, but I do not have the information to say which one it is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.108.71.36 (talk) 18:43, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Questions about her birth year will probably never be solved. The two best guesses are 1501 and 1507, hence the two ages. -- Secisek (talk) 07:52, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Catherine of Aragon, only royal wife[edit]

I have removed this as Anne of Cleves was also royal. If anyone ants to keep in a version of this, perhaps it could be reworded. Boleyn (talk) 17:04, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm... wasn't Anne of Cleves ducal before her marriage? Surtsicna (talk) 20:56, 6 October 2008

She was the daughter/sister of a duke, however she did have royal blood. I believe all of them did, certainly the Seymours, but Katherine of Aragon was the only one styled Infanta (or appropriate title). 87.194.214.89 (talk) 16:35, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

As the daughter of a duke, Anne of Cleves was noble but not royal.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 16:39, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Err, no. You're confusing the noble title of duke with the sovereign title of duke. The distinction is mentioned in the opening sentence of the duke article. The Dukes of Cleves were sovereigns, and their daughters were royal, not noble. Those ruling houses that required their sons to enter into equal marriages in order to remain into the line of succession would have accepted marriage to Anne of Cleves as an equal marriage, whereas they would not have accepted a marriage to the daughter of, say, the Duke of Wellington as such. Binabik80 (talk) 02:33, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Related Queens[edit]

The 'trivia' section says that all the Queens were related in some way...was Anne of Cleves related to any except in that she was served by Catherine Howard? Confirmation requested.


Yes as they were all the decendants of Edward I —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.56.97.168 (talk) 14:39, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Lead[edit]

The article's lead needs to be improved.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 18:56, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

There is still no improvement. I suggest that the names of the wives be given in prose rather than as a list.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 10:07, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Table of Wives with cause of separation, death and such[edit]

Most people who visit this page will come to it in order to get a clean, fast list of Henry VII's wives, dates, and such. Particularly what was the final fate of each wife. THAT is what most people (who are not scholars on the matter and do not want to be) will come looking for, since it is commonplace in the world to say that "Henry the eighth beheaded all of his eight wives". I hesitate to add it because I think I had seen it here and it is gone now (presumably for a reason) and because of my profound ignorance on this matter (I imagine there are people who know this and would like to contribute). Something like:

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Henry had six wives, not eight. I don't think we need a box, as the article clearly states the fate of each wife.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 18:38, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

anne of cleves[edit]

she looked like a horse and really ugly

Removed "She was also black"[edit]

Anne Boleyn was more than probably not black. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.56.102.140 (talk) 21:09, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

agree  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.201.120.252 (talk) 16:45, 3 July 2012 (UTC) 

Annulled or divorced[edit]

In some part of the article is says that the marriages to Catherine of Aragon and Ann of Cleves were annulled, in others it says they were divorced. Which is it?--94.2.195.20 (talk) 18:56, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

"Roman Catholic interpretation" section[edit]

This section cites no sources whatsoever and reeks of original research. At least two of its assertions are openly speculative ("hypothetically might have been annulled by Rome" and "if one takes the view that"), and I suspect that all the rest of it is just as unsubstantiated. It's also factually incorrect, talking about Henry being free to marry Jane Seymour and Anne of Cleves when he was nothing of the sort, because, rather famously, he was excommunicate at the time, therefore rendering the concluding sentence ("In short, Henry was married to only Catherine of Aragon, Jane Seymour and Anne of Cleves in the interpretation of the Roman Catholic Church.") hogwash. Besides all which, it's irrelevant, since the Roman Catholic Church ceased having any say in Henry's marital status shortly after his second wedding. Removing it. Binabik80 (talk) 02:21, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

You are an arrogant and rude individual, Binabik80 Mark.hamid (talk) 23:44, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
No. Name Wife from - through Fate Marriage Fate Wife
4 Anne Of Cleeves 6 January 1540 – 9 July 1540 Annulled Died possibly of Cancer in 16 July 1557