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Discussion[edit]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
This section contained early (2003-2004) comments without an appropriate topic title. I have wrapped this section to prevent new editors from assuming any question should go here. If you wish to follow-up on matters raised in this section, please do so in an appropriately titled section below, or begin a new one at the bottom of the page. Proofreader77 (talk) 21:27, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

am i the only person out there that thinks that the world trade center shoud be rebilt as it once stood?

Ceci n'est pas usenet. (Also: Yes.) - Dreamword 01:11 Feb 28, 2003 (UTC)

"A public poll sponsored by the official planners saw "Neither" win comfortably over THINK with the Libeskind plan last." --What does this mean? A link should be added for it.64.12.97.7 00:48, 26 Sep 2003 (UTC)

I figured it out, but a link should still be added.64.12.97.7 00:55, 26 Sep 2003 (UTC)

I changed the part about the PATH line running through the footprint to say that it will unlikely that the track alignment be changed. In order to avoid the footprint, the tracks would have to make incredibly sharp curves that would either limit the stations size and usability or would be too sharp to be traversed by trains. - Boarshevik 18:47, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)


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images[edit]

The two images at the bottom of the main section could really do with catpions. I would add them myself, but I don't know what suitable captions would be. Thryduulf 10:35, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Pile[edit]

Please don't add back The Pile. The World Trade Center site hasn't been described as the pile in since April 2002 (or earlier). patsw 17:20, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

"finland island"?[edit]

What does the second paragraph mean when it says that the WTC is located "in finland island"? It's on Manhattan island, and I've never heard anyone refer to the WTC, or any part of Manhattan, as "finland".

I think this is an error. Can someone fix it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.58.64.64 (talk) 06:50, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

error, incomprehensible statement[edit]

"The lease for the site and its rebuilding was purchased in July 2001..." This seems extraordinarily unlikely. The site did not need rebuilding at the time it was leased.

"The old tower footprints would be preserved as sunken pits where a "Wedge of Light" would honor the victims of the attacks by focusing sunlight on September 11 from 8:46 to 10:28 a.m. EST into the footprints. Other analysts doubt this." Huh?

kraemer 22:29, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Pictures[edit]

Why are there no pictures of the site, pre bombing? 81.149.182.210 00:21, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Indeed. Since the majority of the history is actually pre-bombing, we should have some pictures of the original complex. Alyeska 15:25, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

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re: Under "Litigation", citation needed for rebuilding cost estimate claim[edit]

Under "Litigation":

"Overall cost estimates for rebuilding the site range from $10 billion to $12 billion.[citation needed]"

A news article by the NYTimes might be a useable cite for this figure:

[1]

Rebuilding the World Trade Center site will cost roughly $10 billion, with two-thirds of that paying for the office, cultural and transportation buildings...

On the other hand, I'm wary about using the NYTimes as a cite, since their stories occasionally disappear behind the Archive wall, which requires subscription. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aldctjoc (talkcontribs) 15:33, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

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Proposed split of "Rebuilding of the World Trade Center" section to separate article[edit]

NOTE: It would seem this would include the following (and last) Construction (timeline) section.

  • Waiting ... for proposer to give rationale. :) Proofreader77 (talk) 22:24, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

The article gives very little information about the site itself, other than information that is related to the September 11 attacks. Given this situation, it would be perhaps most appropriate to rename this article "World Trade Center site and the September 11 attacks" and create a new article about the site itself. The more consistent approach is to transfer most of the content of this article to a new article named Rebuilding of the World Trade Center. Proofreader77's comment that this would actually include much more that the Rebuilding chapter is correct.  Cs32en  22:43, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

  • FIRST REACTION Not enough left here for a separate article—ownership/control of site (which would logically be duplicated in new article), appropriately brief mention of 9/11 (covered elsewhere), and clean-up (overlap elsewhere, and not much extra detail here). But, yes, the current title doesn't well capture the primary content (World Trade Center site reconstruction) ... BUT this is just a first reaction. Pondering ... (Thinking about existing related "complications" I know of ... e.g., the problematic World Trade Center 2 and Controversy surrounding the rebuilding of the World Trade Center‎—"articles" which are currently un-sourced PR adjuncts for rebuilding Twin Towers on the site).

    PS NOTING NEW EDITION OF PRE-TWIN TOWERS INFO: Interesting. More thinking ... And need to survey "What links here." Did I mention my thoughts are in flux? LOL Proofreader77 (talk) 07:59, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

I think there is enough information on the pre-2001 World Trade Center site, so that any new article can grow to full size, i.e. 60KB. I don't see a problem if that article starts as a stub, or little more than than. Also, no information would get lost. Should there be an AfD, or merge process, for Controversy surrounding the rebuilding of the World Trade Center‎ Cs32en  12:17, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
Letting you know I'm thinking. (just lightly skim this noise:)
(1) I'm perhaps most concerned with the encouragement the rhetoric of the title "Rebuilding of the World Trade Center" will give to the see-we-must-stop-Freedom-Tower-dismantle-and-REBUILD-Twin-Towers passion amongst some. (Note: It is hard to document the behind-the-scenes, quiet-sensible decision "by society" that rebuilding Twin Towers was NOT going to be done. No one wanted to hurt the feelings of some victim's families who might see rebuilding what was there as an important symbolic act to defy terrorists and the memory of those who died. Since public officials don't comment, this leaves the door open to any criticism or patriotic enthusiasm editorializing to stand unrebutted ... other than BY REALITY that the site is being under active reconstruction of another plan.
I.E. When the Freedom Tower is a few hundred feet higher, it MAY be less of a problem. :) (Sort of what I was waiting for to "resolve" things.)
NOTE: I would be somewhat less worried by World Trade Center reconstruction (Google hits: 200,000+ vs 11,000+ for Rebuilding ...), but suspect there is a rule somewhere I don't know about. LOL
(2) While the section on pre-WTC site info was added, I don't think that's a good thing to start—e.g., In the Jurassic period, the site was occupied by a family of tyrannasaurs ... LOL I.E., That should not be a growing section.
(3) Cleanup (other than the probably-not-to-be discussed here, DNA sifting) should not be more than is here, and that much could be considered just a prep stage of reconstruction ... I.E., doesn't seem like a reason to have an article (site from the end of recovery of victims ... to end of cleanup). A name with 9/11 somewhere in it does not feel like the way to go.
(4) The matter of "What links here?" ... I'm still (slowly) evaluating all the references (Not that redirects can't handle it, but need to know how many might need special handling yada yada yada)
SANDBOX: I'm making a copy of a stripped down version, and pondering it. LOL [Decided better to change name and adjust] [EDIT Proofreader77 (talk) 04:56, 16 September 2009 (UTC)]
Don't feel compelled to respond to this immediately. :) As you see, my thoughts are still in flux. Proofreader77 (talk) 02:46, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
Not a real response, per your request: I invented the title "Reconstruction ..." just off the cuff, it's probably not the best one. As for the reconstruction controversy, it's going to be 1 WTC again, isn't it, after Chinese tenants expressed discomfort with too much freedom...  Cs32en  08:50, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
No, I haven't forgotten. :) What I'm leaning toward is (which I'm sure I've already said, but, anyway :)
  • Don't create a separate article.
  • Change the name of this one to World Trade Center reconstruction (although I agree it lacks a certain felicity, but (a) has more hits in Google of the concept and (b) helps some in the wrong-encouragement department.
  • Adjust article headings slightly as in User:Proofreader77/SandboxD (removing new info of before WTC)
  • (Haven't decided exactly what needs to be done with lede/intro, but something.)
  • Rebutting/repeating in advance (and previously lol), I think having this be an article for just the site from after 9/11 until rebuilding began is infelicitous in some other way. (And changing its name to fit that constraint amplifies whatever is feeling infelicitous. :)
  • QUESTION: Who else has to sign off on a name change ... or whatever we decide to. :) (I've forgotten of never known if there is some place this proposal would have to be listed for comment. Probably not, but just checking.)
  • COMMENT: Of course, being lazy, I'm perfectly happy to leave it as it is ... until 1 World Trade Center is "several hundred feet higher." :)
  • OF COURSE ... you are welcome to disagree with me. :) Proofreader77 (talk) 07:26, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Cordoba House[edit]

I'm not sure of the best way to associate Cordoba House with this article. It's not part of the WTC rebuilding effort. —Ashley Y 01:22, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Correct; now that there is an article for Cordoba House, the duplicate material in this article can be removed. Due to the association with Ground Zero, it is probably worth mentioning the mosque somewhere in this article (one sentence should be enough with a wikilink). I'm not sure where to put it as this article is not very well organized. Fletcher (talk) 02:13, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Construction section[edit]

I am working under the assumption that the Construction section was intended to link to pages of the new buildings post-9/11, and therefore have fixed the links accordingly. One of them redirected to World Trade Center and a couple others linked to the page of the old pre-9/11 building. If I did wrong, I apologize. Personally I feel that there should be links to both the old and the new buildings in the article, but that's just my opinion. XDB (talk) 19:17, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

photo timestamp[edit]

The photo that says it's from July 28, 2010, actually has a timestamp on it that says July 28 2009. [2] HuH? Andrew Gradman talk/WP:Hornbook 09:54, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

I think the camera's date is off - I don't think that much of the Freedom tower was built a year ago. Fletcher (talk) 14:13, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Suggestion.[edit]

Should we add Template:Infobox historic site to this article? | helpdןǝɥ | 08:45, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

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Merge of World Trade Center rebuilding controversy[edit]

I merged content from the World Trade Center rebuilding controversy before redirecting it. I am not familiar with the material so please edit it mercilessly.--Adam in MO Talk 01:59, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Lead Section[edit]

The lead section deals almost exclusively with ownership of the site. Much of this content should be moved into the body of the article and the lead should be edited to better summarise the whole article. An interested editor could consider revising the lead with reference to Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.23.54.142 (talk) 22:34, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Corrections[edit]

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Table of buildings[edit]

Should there really be a huge paragraph about building delays in the description column of each building in the article's wikitable? Epicgenius (talk) 00:40, 3 June 2014 (UTC)