Talk:Yaghnobi people

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Forced Migration[edit]

The forced migration to the "newly established district Zafarobod in northern Tajikistan" comes from the article in footnote three in the references, the article by Thomas Loy. Mattisse(talk) 11:38, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Resettlement[edit]

I saw there was a question about the Yaghnobi being resettled in the last edited: "northern? it seems they were resetteled to south." Some were resettled in the north, and some in the south. During the civil war some of the Yaghnobi villages in the south were targeted for massacres. David Straub 13:08, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification[edit]

It's hard figuring out what happened specifically from the online articles. But it was clearly devastating to the Yaghnobi people as the article describes. I've been finding little pockets of people that this type of thing happened to. Mattisse(talk) 13:27, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

More sources[edit]

I'd been wanting to write an article about the Yaghnobi for a while, but I just haven't had the time. I'm glad to see that others have. There are some good sources that you might want to reference about this subject:

THE YAGHNABIS in the The Peoples of the Red Book http://www.eki.ee/books/redbook/yaghnabis.shtml

Iraj Bashiri. The Yaghnobis. <http://www.iles.umn.edu/faculty/bashiri/Tajling%20folder/yaghnob.html>

I also have a pdf file copy of a 1971 New York Times article about the resettlment that I could forward to anyone who is interested. Has a lot of good information. E-mail me at davestraub@yahoo.com if you're interested.

There are a number of other interesting language groups in Tajikistan, notably from the Pamir languages. There are some wikipedia articles on them, but some notable languages, especially Shughni, haven't been written about yet.--David Straub 00:23, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

The New York times article I mentioned above is: Soviet Moves 4,000 in Tribe From Asian Mountains to Plain: Formerly Herdsmen, Yagnob People Will By THEODORE SHABADSpecial to The New York Times New York Times (1923-Current file); May 4, 1971; pg. 6

It can be found in the following database: ProQuest Historical Newspapers: The New York Times (1851-2008)David Straub (talk) 22:29, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Sources[edit]

One of those sources I already had, only under a different address. I stuck it on the front page anyway, so I can keep track of it for now. I've seen that Red Book before too, maybe under a different language/people.

When you look at the map at Tajikistan, it is a startlingly small country. Mattisse(talk) 00:47, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Tajikistan is small, but it's a pain to travel around because there are so many high peaks you have to pass over. Before modern times communities were highly isolated from their neighbors because of the countries rough geography and languages could thrive in isolation.--David Straub 01:06, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

forced migration 2[edit]

Tl sughd 22:27, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

first I would like to learn more about the mentioned forced migration in 1957??

regarding the resettlement in 1970 and 1971 - the whole valley (not only the yaghnobi villages!) was relocated to Zafarobod district in the Leninabad oblast' (north of the turkestan chain).

Three years after the forced migration some villagers and families illegaly returned to the mountains.(this was a phenomenon throughout the history of Soviet inner-tajik migration policy)

In 1978 the returnees were resettled again (this time they could choose whereto - some decided to go to the Yavan district in southern Tajikistan) - only the families who returned to the village of Kiriyonte avoided the anew resettlement.

regarding the villages in southern Tajiskistan: there have been earlier waves of emigration from the valley to the south (Varzob valley, Hisor valley... in Soviet times as well as in the 19th century and even earlier...)

from my point of view there are some other inaccuracies and mistakes in the article.

On the forced migration see as well the publication (in German):

Thomas Loy: Jaghnob 1970. Erinnerungen an eine Zwangsumsiedlung in der Tadschikischen SSR. Reichert Verlag, Wiesbaden 2005.

tl

Bad citations; poor quality article[edit]

The citation concerning "Zoroastrian motifs" comes from a page without any reference to the Yaghnobi. Many points of information about the resettlement are not cited, or are cited with a bit of information made up by some silly wikipedian. It is better to take down this page than continue with this misinformation. This is one of the only outlets for the Yaghnobi to the wider world, and the work I've seen here is shoddy. When I have more time (when I'm not preparing to go to the Yaghnob for thesis work) I will actually change this, as I do have scholarly sources related to the Yaghnobi with accurate information, not hearsay. But this is why wikipedia is not a scholarly source. This is an entire people we're talking about here. Take this seriously. I shouldn't be surprised though, almost all of the Central Asian articles seem as if they're written by someone who's never been there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.160.70.72 (talk) 20:40, 7 March 2014 (UTC)