Talk:Yakuts

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
WikiProject Russia / Demographics & ethnography (Rated Start-class, Top-importance)
WikiProject icon This article is within the scope of WikiProject Russia, a WikiProject dedicated to coverage of Russia on Wikipedia.
To participate: Feel free to edit the article attached to this page, join up at the project page, or contribute to the project discussion.
Start-Class article Start  This article has been rated as Start-Class on the project's quality scale.
 Top  This article has been rated as Top-importance on the project's importance scale.
Taskforce icon
This article is supported by the demographics and ethnography of Russia task force.
 
WikiProject Ethnic groups (Rated Start-class)
WikiProject icon This article is within the scope of WikiProject Ethnic groups, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of articles relating to ethnic groups, nationalities, and other cultural identities on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.
Start-Class article Start  This article has been rated as Start-Class on the project's quality scale.
 ???  This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.
 

[Untitled][edit]

Article title: Should this be changed to Sakha in order to reflect the self-designation? I think there should at least be a page for "Sakha" that links with this page, like "see: Yakuts". But I don't know how to do this.Kyune (talk) 21:28, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

I think this page needs a lot of work--I am willing and able to write a more extensive entry for this page with extensive citations (at least from Russian-language sources), but when I tried to edit it initially, the page was automatically reverted. That was probably because I am a new user and I don't really understand how to format things correctly, despite trying to read all the help things that wikipedia has. Is there a way I can post some text as a suggestion and then other people can make sure it's formatted correctly? Kyune (talk) 22:44, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Change to redirect[edit]

While having no direct knowledge of this topic, I view the change to a redirect as inappropriate. It was done by an unregistered user and blanked a page with a decent editing history over a year old to make it a redirect with no discussion on the talk page or explanation. They should have taken this to the talk page before proceeding on this path. MAHEWAtalk 03:06, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Reverted as copy-paste/copyvio. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 06:43, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

{{hangon}}[edit]

I don't think this is uncontroversial. See WP:COMMONNAME -- there needs to be some official move-discussion at least, not just one person giving an opinion. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 08:30, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

I agree with your assessment and have declined the speedy. Favonian (talk) 09:47, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: not seeing any consensus or strong arguments for renaming Kotniski (talk) 10:09, 6 September 2010 (UTC)



YakutsSakha — I don't know why people here are so reactionary nowadays, but if somebody want formality here is is. The reason as was said by user Kyune above is this name is highly informal and is rather a neologism from Russian language. Just google.com statistics gives 118000 results for word Yakuts and 4,510,000 for word Sakha. And I don't think any high level literature may used Yakuts instead of Sakha, just for example Britannica gives me just Sakha without any mentioning of a novelty ethnonym. Moreover, I feel that it's bad for non-English wikipedias as well, as people usually refer for English wikipedia to get a suggestion for a correct ethnonym. And as for now this way, only Azeri wiki still have an article with correct ethnonym. A. Rhein--96.49.163.21 (talk) 01:22, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

I think it does pass as a common name, just see figures of google results. Yakuts is a reneologisation of an old incorrect word for a few other ethnicities that came to common slang by nineteen eighties. For most of the past, the word used for this ethnicity was Sakha, the Yakuts word just came to English as a result of double translation of Russian language literature very recently. All first language research papers in English always used proper ethnonym prior to nineties. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.49.163.21 (talk) 01:40, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
Convince me. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 01:48, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
The results from Britannica, which is noted as a comprehensive compilation of first language research, supports my position as well as wikipedia's original research and reliable sources policy.--96.49.163.21 (talk) 02:01, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
Link? Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 01:52, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
If typing britannica.com is a hard labour, here is the link for large set of Sakha articles http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Sakha+site%3Abritannica.com&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai= and only 3 articles using Yakuts ethnonym http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Yakuts+site%3Abritannica.com&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai= . As you can see in the second case authors seem to be a second language speakers. A. Rhein.--96.49.163.21 (talk) 01:58, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
You're mixing up the hits for the people with the Sakha Republic (official name) and the language. This article is about the people. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 02:00, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
Yes google is mixing it a bit, but it doesn't however diminish an overwhelmingly large amount of ethnographic research materials from pre-electronic times also listed. There are only 2 articles now that use Yakuts ethnonym and more than a thousand for Sakha, which are overwhelmingly of ethnographic content. Britannica's main Sakha article uses Sakha as a name for this ethnic group as well A. Rhein --96.49.163.21 (talk) 03:37, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
I need to mention that Yakut articles from scholar.google.com are not coming from first language sources in their majority. A. Rhein --96.49.163.21 (talk) 06:27, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

So, are we moving to closing of this discussion? A. Rhein--96.49.163.21 (talk) 02:37, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

WP:CITE and other core policy[edit]

This page and the Sakha Republic one appea to be plagued by IP editors with an agenda. I had to clean out[1] stuff about "enigmatic ancient cultures" on the indigenous side, and "tricky pacts" and "sadistic" chiefs on the Yakut and Russian side. So please, if you want to introduce such stuff, make sure it is based on references to begin with, and once you do cite your references still try to hide your righteous anger, or romantic indigenism, or whatever it is you want to express, beneath a minimum of encyclopedic tone. --dab (𒁳) 09:44, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

"Yakut American"[edit]

This link seems to have become a circular reference. Kortoso (talk) 00:06, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Unter Tungusen und Jakuten : Erlebnisse und Ergebnisse der Olenék-Expedition der Kaiserlich russischen geographischen Gesellschaft in St. Petersburg (1882)

https://archive.org/details/untertungusenun00mlgoog

In far north-east Siberia (1916)

https://archive.org/details/infarnortheastsi00dionuoft

https://archive.org/details/infarnortheastsi00dioniala

Rajmaan (talk) 03:51, 27 March 2014 (UTC)