Talk:Yellow Magic Orchestra
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I don't believe there was computer recording technology in 1984, when the band broke up. Is there some evidence they used it?
Large-scale computer recording technology (not bits and pieces like a sampler) started to become available in 1987 or so, IIRC.
You can see a video of their recodring; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEENR7WgnJA&mode=related&search= Unfortunately, it is not translated. I am not sure about the date of this video but guess it was 1978 or 79 or so. They certainly said that they used a "computer", which could be somewhat different from the one of these days. 126.96.36.199 23:17, 21 December 2006 (UTC)GGB02105 from Japan.
"Making abundant use of new synthesizers, samplers, digital and computer recording technology as it became available, their popularity and influence extended beyond Japan. Generally the band are highly regarded as pioneers of electronic music, and continue to be remixed and sampled by modern artists"
Untrue to be honest. YMO were popular in Japan but they were little known outside of their own country. In fact Computer Game was their only UK chart hit. Of course they were well known in electronic music circles but this hardly means they were popular.
Given the fact that a lot of electronic artists never cite YMO as an influence leads me to believe that their repuatation may be slight over exagarated, as much as I love this band. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Humanracer (talk • contribs) 09:04, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
I don't think the writer meant to over-exaggerate their "reputation". The writer clearly says their "influence" which I think is an appropriate word for what they've influenced in music these last 25 years. I guess the paragraph could use some re-writing. Michael Betancourt (talk) 04:36, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
Touring in 2008
I updated the London Meltdown festival concert date that requested a cited website. The link to the official ticket site is for the concert. If someone could properly edit the cited site, I would appreciate it. 188.8.131.52 (talk) 01:38, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
Lead notes: clarify claims
- Some items in the lead need addressing. Computer Music not a "genre" of music, it's a technique of music production. Cited pioneers of computer music, include Milton Babbit, Max Mathews, Xannis Xenakis, John Chowing, Michael Hoenig, amongst others - they were the first to use computers for music composition and sound production. What exactly was pioneering about YMO's use of computers? can we find relevant cites for this?
- also, not sure it's accurate to claim they were pioneers of techno etc. on band that perhaps influenced it's development, but there were dozens of artists around back then, is there a cite to state that they were pioneers of techno, the one provided does not support this view. --Semitransgenic (talk) 22:41, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
Note of Kraftwerk influence
It seems somewhat inaccurate to downplay Krafwerks influence on YMO when multiple sources attest to this, we can list them below if necessary. It is also accepted that Kraftwerks innovations preceded YMOs success in the same domain by a number of years. Julian Cope's Japrock Sampler goes so far as to state that: "...the all pervasive robotising of Western music finally kicked in via Kraftwerk's TRANS-EUROPE EXPRESS...massively informing the direction of Ryuichi Sakamoto's hugely influential Yellow Magic Orchestra. It's clear that without Kraftwerk's red lippy and proto-Devo dummy routine, they never could have had the same worldwide cultural impact..." Currently such material is not addressed properly in the article. --Semitransgenic (talk) 04:18, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
- The article had already mentioned Kraftwerk as one of the band's influences in the Legacy section. Nevertheless, I've added a bit of text regarding Kraftwerk's influence in the History section as well. Jagged 85 (talk) 01:24, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
- that's an improvement, thanks, great work generally, but the article still reads like a puff piece in parts, bordering on hagiography, there were many things happening in music, and music technology, in the 70s & 80s that had nothing to do with YMO, but which exacted an influence on electronic music, but the article, in places, reads like YMO were responsible for, and central to, virtually everything that happened in electronic music, perhaps it's because the editorialising tends to be biased in this direction, sometimes I'm seeing this in comparing what is written by you with what is actually stated in the sources. --Semitransgenic (talk) 11:42, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
- I don't really see how what I've written is anymore biased in this direction than what some of the sources state, some of which emphasize YMO's influence to greater extents than what I've written. Nevertheless, I would argue that the same criticisms apply to most articles written by a single author, as each individual tends to focus on certain aspects of a subject more than others. And that's pretty much where collaborative editing comes in, to create a balanced article through multiple editors collaborating or providing input on an article. As for the specific issue you raised, the separate "Innovations" and "Influence" sections should make it somewhat obvious that not all of their innovations were necessarily influential. Jagged 85 (talk) 19:27, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
- P.S. In my defense regarding your claim in this edit summary, I'd like to point out that the part about their "most interesting contribution" is clearly present in the original source. Just because I provided some context by adding "to the techno genre", that doesn't suddenly mean I made it all up. The original source is clearly discussing the techno genre and the Cybotron group. Simply stating their "most interesting contribution" doesn't mean anything without pointing to what the contribution is towards. Nevertheless, I actually quite like the actual edit you made there, and do appreciate your input on this article. Jagged 85 (talk) 20:39, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
- no worries, yes single editor progress tends to follow a particular bias, especially if one is a fan of the topic, we all do it, it's par for the course. In terms of the edit you highlight above, what I found problematic is: "Their most interesting contribution to the techno genre is considered to be." Saying "contribution to the development of the techno genre" might have been truer to the source as Sicko is talking about YMO's influence on the early Detroit scene. Sorry for being so picky, if i had more time on my hands at the moment I would be able to make more constructive input. --Semitransgenic (talk) 21:03, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks for the input. I think a better way to put it was probably their contribution to the Detroit scene or their contribution to the group Cybotron. Either way, I think the way it is now is fine as it is. Since the sentence before it is talking about techno, the context should be obvious in this case. I've also made a few more edits toning down some parts in the article, so it should be a slight improvement now. Regards, Jagged 85 (talk) 21:16, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
Audience's reaction to style changes
If somebody wants to extend the article, I think it could mention something about how the audience reacted to abrupt changes in style especially with the albums Technodelic and Naughty Boys. --184.108.40.206 (talk) 08:38, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
It's very overbearing to the article, and even more on individual members' pages. There should be a proper Yellow Magic Orchestra discography and Yellow Magic Orchestra solo discography page.--Ilovetopaint (talk) 08:14, 25 June 2013 (UTC)