Talk:Yellow journalism

Alive

Yellower Journlism is still very much alive like the U.S.S Maine being blamed on the Spanish, Mohamed Al le was automatically blamed for the Two Towers.

Wouldnt you say that[Fox News]engage in Yellow journalism?

It's an interesting question, might have to do with Outfoxed... the thing is does O'Reilly and others precisely count as a part of Fox News, or just the Fox channel team. - RoyBoy [∞] 02:42, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)

This page doesn't seem very NPOV to me... Especially the use of the word misnomer. Perhaps euphemism would be a better term? Supersheep 13:43, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

whoever wrote the portion about Fox News Channel is delusional, as long as they leave out the entirety of the rest of mainstream media, and their obnoxious liberal biases. Simply ludicrous.

IF you are going to mention Fox, THEN you should also mention CBS and RatherGate. If you are NOT going to mention CBS, then you should NOT mention Fox. Anything else would seem to me to be a violation of NPOV. N0YKG 9 May 2005 17:20 UTC

See the News International phone hacking scandal.82.2.69.100 (talk) 14:56, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

FOX News viewers see FOX as inclusive of the liberal point of view?

"FOX News viewers, on the other hand, see FOX as inclusive of both points of view, liberal and conservative, and as a healthy alternative to other channels."

Don't FOX News viewers generally watch FOX so that they don't have to listen to the liberal point of view? I don't think many FOX viewers would really agree that the channel offers a liberal point of view... Rather provide a NPOV by just saying what the next paragraph says -- something like:

"FOX News viewers, on the other hand, argue that FOX's coverage is impartial and that the coverage of other so-called 'mainstream' networks is liberally slanted." Yes? No? Rossvdlinde 1 July 2005 17:54 (UTC)

Agreed. Someone challange the Netural POV. I made some minor changes so it reads "Some FOX News viewers..."

Please revert due to vandalism efforts. Pan 19:26, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

FOX is the Perfect Example...

Is there any wonder why it was the first 'news' station mentioned?

FOX is the epitome of Yellow Journalism. Read the first page definition of Yellow Journalism right here on WIkipedia. ""Yellow journalism" may for example refer to sensationalized news reporting that bears only a superficial resemblance to journalism." Regardless of whether or not you consider yourself conservative, liberal, progressive, or evangelical right wing nut, it is obvious that FOX is totally sensationalized pseudo-journalism. Is it really necessary to site specific examples of this? Not even the blind could miss the voices of the announcers who immediately cut off anyone who does not implicitly agree with FOX's conservative bias. Sure CNN and CBS are getting more and more the same as FOX, but that is more because they are letting the market lead their journalistic integrity down the hole along with FOX. It is sad that people would rather watch narrow minded partisan hacks rather than get the simple facts of a story and make up their minds on their own. It is as if Americans enjoy their freedom, as long as they are told exactly what they can and cannot think or do.

You shouldn't make the comment about "all" americans. many of us hate Fox new, and detest the effect on right-wingers whootherwise might be sane. Joesolo13 (talk) 15:57, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Amazing how blinkered is the left wing criticism of Fox, when corresponding hosts on MSNBC (Maddow and the former host Olberman) are every bit as strident and polarizing as O'Reilly and Hannity. Plainly criticism of media outlets holding an opposite view to the writer fails the most basic tests of neutrality. --621PWC (talk) 05:39, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

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this article explaines that the world should express the featers of how the world use to be

Fox news was suced in to the News International phone hacking scandal!82.2.69.100 (talk) 14:58, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

RAI Fallujah Documentary is the perfect example...

All flash, no substance. Bodies, bodies, bodies, and testimony from questionable sources. Very little fact.--BohicaTwentyTwo 20:58, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Hurricane Katrina

This would be PERFECT for this article. Such as baby rape, gang shootings inside superdome, and exaggeration or downright false reports made by CNN/NBC/CBS/other liberal media. JONJONAUG 21:00, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

No -- the media correctly reported what local officials were saying. The media did not invent the horrors--it was later discovered the local mayor & police chief invented the false news. Rjensen 21

39, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

But it may have exzaderated them.82.2.69.100 (talk) 14:59, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Fox News deserves mention.

In response to the previous poster, Fox News deserves mention. Unlike "RatherGate", which was an isolated event perpetrated by Rather himself, Fox News is an entire network that spins news stories to benefit the GOP. Not only does Fox News not have any of their own journalist, the network is owned and operated by Rupert Murdoch, who is well known as a staunch supporter of the Republican party.

All Fox does is take news stories off the AP wire and spin them to shed the GOP is a favorable light. Often they take gross liberties with the facts and rarely if ever offer corrections for mistakes they made, especially if it involves in any way making the GOP look bad. --Dino213aa 17:49, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Movie casts?

What do the various casts of movies (especially who plays a serial killer that is himself in now way connected to the topic) have to do with yellow journalism?

Origin of the phrase

Where does the term come from? I've heard that the term comes from a 1890's comic strip character (thanks to Trivial Pursuit), but I haven't heard that anywhere else.

Professor Suman supports this claim in his lectures on the history of mass media here at UCLA. The comic in question was 'Hogan's Alley' which had a character known as the Yellow Kid. I don't know much more than that sadly. (FossaFerox 04:44, 21 March 2006 (UTC))

The Hearst-Pulitzer squabble about the Yellow Kid comic strip coincided with the Spanish American War sensationalism and what one editor called a fascination with "crime, underwear and pseudoscience"... so the "Yellow Kid papers" with the comics became "yellow journalism" to critics at the more serious newspapers. Good book: The Yellow Kids by Joyce Milton (1989), mostly about war coverage at the turn of the (previous) century but good section on the Kid too. (oops, where's that password.)

My father was a journalist and told me that the term "yellow journalism" originated from the cheap newsprint used by the downmarket papers employing yellow journalism, which went yellow much more quickly than higher grade newsprint. Does anyone have any information on this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Plerdsus (talk • contribs) 22:08, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Currency

I moved down the "Currency" paragraphs, which appear to be off topic and/or garbled to the point that I'm giving up.

there are some interesting points there... i was thinking it might work better as more of a "current events" section. in particular i thought this could use a cite to judith miller perhaps, it took me a second to understand what they were saying: Well-established institutions such as the New York Times are often leading purveyors of disinformation, especially when the U.S. government is anxious to gain support for aggression abroad or repressive policies at home.

also, i was looking at this page hoping to find info about fcc guidelines that might have come as a response. is there an existing page that seems relevant? Uncleosbert 21:09, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Remove POV

I took out the Fox News portion, and rewrote parts of the stuff on the bottom. I don't hold a torch for Fox News, but any praise or criticism directed at that channel could be directed to any number of outlets on the media spectrum, and to cite them in an article about "Yellow Journalism" (a problematic term in any event) is not NPOV.

There was also a portion rehashing that tired old cliche about television journalists being airheads compared to their print counterparts. As I noted, if you can't bring home the reporting(Peter Jennings in the 60s, though he got a lot better; Connie Chung in the 90s), you go down fast.--Idols of Mud 19:58, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

More history

I also expanded the history of yellow journalism to focus on Hearst and Pulitzer. Some of the stuff in the top I moved down to the currency section, and I adjusted the size of the images.--Idols of Mud 23:40, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

New York Press reference

Interesting note here about the New York Press coining the term "yellow journalism" -- do we have a reference?--Idols of Mud 13:05, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Never mind -- I found it. Thanks. Good addition.--Idols of Mud 13:10, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Current vandalism

The current revision of this page has been extensively vandalized, including references to "Lines of Little Suicide Bombers" and living conditions in heat during "cold waves". 76.176.31.101 17:04, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism cleaned

Reverted to 23 March 2007 version, and added Journalism portal link.

Chelmar

Weasel in currency

"Some claim that a Fox News internal memo uncovered in late 2006 reveals evidence of that organization's bias in favor of the Republican Party."

Who are these some, and what was in the memo? If there are no objections I would like to remove this statement, as it does little to support the main argument of the paragraph (which is simply making a distinction between yellow journalism and media bias). If there is a good reason to keep the information, it needs to be clarified with proper citations.

I can't resist pointing out the irony of having weasel terms in a page about yellow journalism. Robnpov 23:10, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

The "Currently" section deals with current journalistic abuses. which are not derived from or directly related to Yellow Journalism. They comprise a different topic and do not belong in this article. Rjensen (talk) 19:20, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Failing GAN

I am hereby failing this article as a Good Article Nominee by means of "quick failing". The fact that two sections of the article are completely unreferenced and one carries a "neutrality" tag (while in fact both can be tagged with a few more), is enough.

That said, I would like to expand a bit more on the article in general - this kind of article can describe either a concept or a phenomenon - while the lead section and the last two sections try to purport "yellow journalism" is a concept (without much going for it, due to the lack of references), the history section deals with it as a historic phenomenon. While an entertaining read, the mid section is full of statements bordering POV and in general, being a good piece of writing, is hardly encyclopedic. It is a story of two newspapers and, in part, their owners during a certain period - much information contained therein could just as well go into articles on the journals or the gentlemen themselves, or perhaps the Spanish-American War. However sad consequences this may have for the involving narration of the article as presented now, I believe it would have more encyclopedic sense.

Of course, it might be the case that established and reliable external sources do refer to the events described in the article as an identified phenomenon referred to as the "yellow press" (in a way similar to e.g. a much larger-scale pheomenon known as "industrial revolution"), then an article would make sense. That said, even if it is so, a big refurbishment would be necessary. PrinceGloria 14:31, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Libel?

The source of the "not quite libel" quote is not given and I cannot find it in books.google, amazon or jstor. hence deleted as unverified. It only adds confusion since "libel" is a legal term and a quite different phenomenon than yellow journalismRjensen (talk) 23:58, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Divide up this article?

I read this article after doing a major re-write (principally for grammar/form) of muckraker.

I find the "Yellow Journalism" article very engaging, but feel that it would benefit from more focus on yellow journalism per se, and splitting off the involved discussion of Hearst vs. Pulitzer and the NY newspaper wars into a separate location. Reading the entry "Failing GAN", I felt that view closely matched mine.

I propose to subdivide the content in this way. I am interested to know if anyone else has an opinion pro/con. Shi Gelei (talk) 00:07, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

I think every history links Yellow Journalism very closely to Hearst and Pulitzer, so taking them out leaves not much left.Rjensen (talk) 03:55, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

After thinking about this some more . . . I think there should be articles on the following topics:

• Spanish American War
• Hearst-Pulitzer newspaper wars
• Yellow Journalism

The Yellow Journalism article should touch on some of the most crucial aspects of the former two topics, insofar as they help give meaning to Yellow Journalism, but should direct the reader to those two articles for full details.

Further, I think the Yellow Journalism article should devote more room to clarifying (a) the difference between "Yellow Journalism" as a broad trend in its time and a fairly specific implication when it is used today, and (b) the similarities and differences between Yellow Journalism and some other social phenomena (in particular "tabloid journalism" and "jingoism"). Shi Gelei (talk) 00:04, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Yellow journalism, eugenics and racism

About the link of yellow journalism, eugenics and racism ; there's nothing in the article.Was yellow journalism more racist or eugenicist, than normal journalism? The article doesn't tells nothing about this.Agre22 (talk) 17:42, 9 May 2009 (UTC)agre22

Why isn't Fox News Mentioned?

Seriouly, why aren't they mentioned??? Dumaka (talk) 19:51, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

All major 24 hour news networks now focus on sensational stories as opposed to real news. As a recent example, note the wall-to-wall coverage of Michael Jackson's death on ALL networks for two weeks while ignoring more important stories such as health care and the massive deficit. Another example would be the day and night coverage of every blond haired girl that is kidnapped. To mention Fox without mentioning any others would just be an overt attempt to inject partisan politics into Wikipedia. MrDestructo (talk) 20:27, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

In a well developed paragraph respond to the following. After reading about yellow journalism, explain how the media may or may not influence American foreign policy? Basically, what affect can the media have on the government’s decisions? Be sure to state specific examples from the reading. You may also want to include current issues that may be affected by the media. Be very specific and write a proper well-developed paragraph. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.242.145.219 (talk) 02:30, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

History keeps repeating it self what happend during the Spanish-American war is more or less the same as Vietnam with the Gulf of Tonking incident or Iraq with WMD all being hyped up by an American media hunting for headlines. This article or a new article should focus more on the media's influence on foreign policy or vice versa. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.21.214.42 (talk) 17:15, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Picture

Does anybody have access to a higher resolution version of the cartoon from Puck? If so, it would be good to upload this, replacing the current one, so that the writing on the demons is more legible. --DanielRigal (talk) 23:45, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Origin

This article in Time Magazine claims the term was coined by the publisher of the New York Herald, not the New York Press, as claimed by the source used here. bobanny (talk) 02:32, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Protection

I've semi-protected this after a request on RfPP. I wasn't sure at first because it looked possibly like a content dispute, but the sources the anon says support his edit don't mention "yellow journalism" that I can see, so I went ahead with the protection. If the anon has a legitimate edit to make with good sources, post here and I'll consider lifting protection. I'll put it on my watchlist. Cheers, SlimVirgin ^{talk contribs} 01:27, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Persistent IP Vandalism

I am getting very annoyed at this persistent vandalism by IP users trying to put 'Daily Mail' into the article. The Daily Mail is NOT 'yellow journalism' and these edits are completely unsourced. Please stop posting these edits they will be reverted and further action may be taken against persistent offenders. I have applied for semi-protection to put a stop to this abuse 77.100.207.175 (talk) 16:10, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

The Daily Mail Is Yellow Journalism

Look at the first line of the wiki article - "presents little or no legitimate well-researched news and instead uses eye-catching headlines to sell more newspapers"

This perfectly describes the Daily Mail.

If you doubt this, look at this recent collection of Daily Mail front pages - http://www.mailwatch.co.uk/category/front-pages/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.59.242.124 (talk) 12:50, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

No it does not describe the Mail, that is just your opinion. Also Mailwatch is just a biased left-wing site, it is not a reliable source. I have warned you to stop posting these edits. I will make a formal complaint because you have ignored the warnings. Christian1985 (talk) 12:55, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

It is not just an opinion your right wing extremist, that NEUTRAL website, only directly uses the Daily Mail. Look at those covers, do you deny that they are actual covers of the Daily Mail? Sorry if the truth gets your panties in a bunch, but an ace is an ace and a spade is a spade. 83.59.242.124 (talk) 12:59, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Don't you speak to me like that. Mailwatch is NOT a neutral site by any means, it is a biased left-wing hatred site. I have made a complaint because you ignored my warnings. Christian1985 (talk) 13:01, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Again, are those actual covers of the Daily Mail? Yes or no? I am waiting for your answer.... 83.59.242.124 (talk) 13:04, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

It doesn't matter if they are actual covers, it doesn't prove anything. Mailwatch is a biased spam site unacceptable by WP guidelines, now please stop abusing me it will get you nowhere. For the record I am NOT 'her' I am 'he'. Christian1985 (talk) 13:07, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

It's important to mention that "biased" DOES NOT mean "untrue". There are actually many different types of biases (a fact you may not be aware of) and this is likely an example of cherry-picking. However, given the fact that even with cherrypicking it still managed 16 Daily Mail front pages in two months (checking the first three pages of that site) that gives at least a 25% rate (I'd guess the actual rate at closer to 50% looking at how far back page 50 goes assuming the Daily Mail makes up 50% of those posts: http://www.mailwatch.co.uk/category/front-pages/page/50/) of "exaggerations of news events, scandal-mongering, or sensationalism" and using "eye-catching headlines to sell more newspapers". This should be enough to qualify as yellow journalism. 188.221.161.189 (talk) 03:35, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Do we have any RS sources calling the Mail yellow? If not then it simply can't go into the article. Personally, I would be very happy to see almost all of the UK newspapers listed in this article with the Mail given pride of place at the top of the list of shame, but that is my opinion not encyclopaedic content. It can't go in. Nothing can go in unless it is supported by RS references and written in a neutral way. I know it is galling but at least we Wikipedians can sleep at night knowing that we uphold decent standards in what we publish. ;-) --DanielRigal (talk) 12:22, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Need for Dispute Resolution

The following is a direct quote from Christian1985, the notorious Daily Mail pov edit war person:

"It doesn't matter if they are actual covers"

In this editors opinion, no facts, not even the actual text of the newspaper itself are valid.

I think that is totally outrageous and anti wiki.

It is entirely reasonable to look at the covers of the Daily Mail, which are objectively in large text and meant to provoke indignation.

Now, if you look in the wiki article itself, this is precisely one of the main characteristics of yellow journalism.

So, there are two choices:

1. In a neutral worded way, include the tactics used by the Daily Mail as a contemporary example of yellow journalism.

2. Edit the Yellow Journalism article so that it no longer describes what the Daily Mail is. 83.59.242.124 (talk) 13:14, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

I have made a formal complaint about your abuse to the administrators and you may be blocked. All the above is just your opinion. Mailwatch is NOT a reliable source as per Wikipedia guidelines, why can you not accept that. Please stop insulting and attacking me there is no need for it. Christian1985 (talk) 13:17, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

MailWatch is not a reputable source and I agree that we should not use it. However, if you directly cite the Daily Mail itself... and stop complaining about him "bullying and attacking you". He hasn't made an aggressive comment against you, just against your views. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.82.26.156 (talk) 15:52, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

6RR report given to an admin. This IP will be blocked, just like earlier incarnations of IPs with identical edits. Collect (talk) 13:19, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Please at least pretend to be neutral. This section is not for settling personal scores, it is for a serious discussion of the issues at hand. The source is not mailwatch per sey, it is the Daily Mail itself. If you would like I can link to the last ten headlines for the mail, would that be acceptable? 83.59.242.124 (talk) 13:31, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

I am being neutral following Wikipedia policy, Mailwatch is not a reliable source and nor are the Mail headlines because it is all just your opinions. Now please just accept you are wrong and stop bullying and abusing me. Christian1985 (talk) 13:32, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Since the source does not aver "yellow journalism" specifically with regard to the Daily Mail, and is not RS for anything other than having an assortment of various papers' front pages, the source is not valid for use for any claims whatever with regard to the Daily Mail. Collect (talk) 14:14, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Media Coverage of Catholic Sex Abuse Scandal

The exaggeration and excessive coverage of the Catholic sex abuse scandal and the defamation of the current reigning pope over it by major news organizations could be considered a significant example of yellow journalism. It's easier to publish stories that demonize Catholics, popes, and priests based on hearsay and lawyers walking out of courtrooms than it is to publish stories concerning the successes of the Church and its agents before and after 2002 in combating abuse. 76.210.248.83 (talk) 23:40, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

That is a personal interpretation which many would disagree with. If you have multiple clear examples of reliable sources describing the coverage of these events using the specific term "yellow journalism" then maybe that would be worth including in the article but it can't go in just because you disapprove of the coverage. --DanielRigal (talk) 00:10, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Here you go: http://www.firstthings.com/onthesquare/2010/03/scoundrel-times and http://catholicanchor.org/wordpress/?p=60175.37.239.18 (talk) 18:07, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Neither linked page contains the phrase "yellow journalism". --DanielRigal (talk) 20:13, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

They don't have to specifically mention the phrase to make the accusation. Both articles describe situations in the press that exactly fit the definition of yellow journalism by the Yellow Journalism wiki: "Yellow journalism or the yellow press is a type of journalism that presents little or no legitimate well-researched news and instead uses eye-catching headlines to sell more newspapers. Techniques may include exaggerations of news events, scandal-mongering, or sensationalism."75.37.239.18 (talk) 00:14, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Yellow Journalism/ Gossip Magazine

Hi Collect. When you deleted my "See Also" entry I should have left it at that - I have learnt to see the signs of those whose hubris cannot allow to be contradicted. So, as I don't waste time on these puny ego battles, you can have it your way. But out of curiosity, are your two motivations for removing "Gossip Magazine" from the "see also" section slighty at odds with each other? 1. you say: "rm as no direct connection to term "yellow journalism" is sourced)" 2. you say: ""tabloid journalism" is already linked - rather than have a list of every tabloid aro)". So, shall we go for "no direct connection is sourced" or should we stick to "rather than have a list of every tablois aro"? You decide, you are the boffin here. Oh, as an after-thought: I've seen far more weirder stuff included unded "see also", so please, seeing that you are so good at weeding out out the unnecesary entries, please do that for us. Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 08:26, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Try looking at WP policies and guidelines first. 1. GM does not have anything in its article using the term "Yellow Journalism" 2. I do not find sources saying "Yellow Journalism" with regard to GM 3. Using "see also" for the purpose of making a connection between YJ and GM where there is no source making that connection is inherently against the guidelines for "see also" link. 4. There is a link to "tabloid journalism" and it is in that article that GM would be a possible "see also" link. Cheers. And "hubris" does not apply to "following WP policies and guidelines." Collect (talk) 11:41, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

News International phone hacking scandal

We need to add a link to the News International phone hacking scandal and Media bias in the United States!82.2.69.100 (talk) 15:02, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

If and only if you can provide reliable sources making a factual connection directly to the historical Yellow journalism. Cheers. Collect (talk) 18:54, 17 July 2011 (UTC)