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- 1 Untitled
- 2 problems with accuracy
- 3 Yemenite or Yemeni?
- 4 Need a section on Yemenites in modern Jewish culture
- 5 Adenite Jews
- 6 Copyvio problems
- 7 sanaite?
- 8 Asia in topic
- 9 Remaining Jews in Yemen?
- 10 Dead Links
- 11 Disputed
- 12 persecution by islam
- 13 their present state
- 14 Jewish - Muslim relationship in Yemen through time
- 15 GA Status
- 16 GA Status Fail
- 17 Solution to Arabia vs Saudi Arabia vs Arabian Peninsula
- 18 Languages: Yiddish
- 19 Query - Tihamah expulsion
- 20 DNA
- 21 Yemen's last Jews set to flee country
- 22 Orphaned references in Yemenite Jews
- 23 Arab dating source
- 24 Claims of discrimination in Israel
- 25 Talbis
- 26 article in Haaretz - copyright violation
- 27 This article is hilarious
- 28 Mitchell Bard
- 29 Overlap with Jewish exodus article
- 30 The well placed sources for the Arab/Israelite heritage of Yemenite Jews
- 31 Those are pictures of non-Yemenite jews
I have read that the Yemenite Jews are the only group to continue to have knowledge of which insects are kosher. Anyone know the details? Rmhermen 23:04, Mar 30, 2004 (UTC)
It is recorded in the Mishneh Torah L'Rambam the specifications as to what indicates certain locusts (grasshoppers) as being kosher. The basic difference between Yemenites and most other Jewish communities is that Yemenite Jews put the laws codified in the Mishneh Torah concerning kosher locusts into practice. I've heard that certain groups of Morrocan Jews also did so.
Greetings, I would appreciate IPA letters to show the difference between Sanaani and Sharabi "dialects". This involves Gimel (with and without Dagesh), and Kof. I also would appreciate IPA on "Sin" (dot above on left) as it is difficult to get sound data on it for Yemenite Hebrew. WRITTEN BY: amateur Hebrew student and author of http://e.domaindlx.com/hebrewtalk/hebrewtalk.htm
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problems with accuracy
The "Operation Magic Carpet" section ties the emigration of the Yemeni Jews to the massacre in Aden. This is not historically accurate since Aden was not even part of Yemen at the time. It had been under British rule for more than 100 years. --Zero 05:00, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
- The addition of the riots in Aden was only added to describe the conditions of the times in the region. You can edit the wording if you feel there is a need for some clarification. --EhavEliyahu 21:01, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
- I will do that later (I'm 10K miles from home and have no time now). My objection is that the riots in Aden do not describe the conditions of the time in Yemen. In fact there was very little violence in Yemen at that time. --Zero 03:08, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
Yemenite or Yemeni?
Why is the article called "Yemenite Jews" and not "Yemeni Jews"? Is there a difference? Jidan 11:26, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
- In English Teimanim are normally called Yemenite. There aren't a whole lot of people that say Yemeni Jews.--EhavEliyahu 19:15, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
- The form Yemeni is more used in British English and the form Yemenite is more used in American English. Both forms are usable. -- Olve 20:24, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
- I believe that Yemenite is the English term while Yemeni is the Arabic term. The Hebrew term being Temani (notice the 'ni' at the end as opposed to 'nite') -- 22:53, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
- Actually, I believe in Arabic would be pronounced Yamani not Yemeni.--EhavEliyahu 23:56, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
- Actually, I believe that in Arabic the word would be يمني . so in the long run, transliteration isn't worth arguing about. --Kızılderili 02:25, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
- Greetings Kizilderili. It isn't an arguement just a clarification. I agree that in Arabic it is spelled ﻲﻨﻤﻳ but the transliteration would still be "Yamani" or "Yamaneyy" depending on what school of transliteration you go by. Just as "Al-Yaman" i.e. Yemen is spelled ﻦﻤﻴﻟﺍ The vowel in the word is "a" i.e. Fatha. Not debating, just clarifying.--EhavEliyahu 07:28, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
- No problem, Ehav. I agree with you on the point of actual pronunciation. But, given that in English, the word is pronounced as with the letter e, and not a short a, that's probably the msot logical way to refer to them in an "Arabic" context....I'm not sure if that made any sense...--Kızılderili 16:56, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
Need a section on Yemenites in modern Jewish culture
I think this article needs a section on the influence that Yemenite Jewery has had on modern Israeli and Jewish culture. Any ideas on what could be added for this?--EhavEliyahu 17:58, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
Firstly let me say how well this article has been written and maintained.
I don't know any details about this but I am 100% certain that there are relegious differences between Jews from Aden and Jews from other parts of Yemen (Yemenite Jews). I have been told this by several Adenite Jews. I am sorry that I don't have any details but I just thought that saying something is better than not saying anything about the matter. Hopefully someone reading this will know more than me about the subject and create a new artical about this group of Jews, their history, and religious practices. -- 22:51, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
I have heard of similar differences as well from the Jewish community here. Keep in mind that the two communities literally existed in two different countries for some time, and the highland culture of Yemen can be contrasted to the valley culture of the Hadhramaut. Shlomo Mizrahi 06:00, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
I removed the "Operation Magic Carpet" section. Aside from neutrality and accuracy problems, the section was taken from this web site .
Looking throught the article's history, I noticed the same user who added "Operation Magic Carpet" section also added most or maybe all of the other content. Therefore, the entire article may be consisting (or partly consisting) of plagiarized content. Perhaps there needs to be a complete rewrite of the article to best ensure that there are no copyvio problems?? --Inahet 15:42, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
- I believe that I am the one you are referring to. I added that information a while back, but didn't have the time to do some edits, but for the most part I linked the areas where some of the information came from. In terms of the Magic carpet information, there was someone who mentioned they were going to re-write the information based on what they know of the situation. I have more time now so I can do some re-writes of the information.
- In terms of additional sources, what information exactly do you feel is not sourced?--EhavEliyahu 18:47, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
- The problem is that you cannot take the work of others and place them in a Wikipedia article. Even attributing the information by adding a link to the source is not going to make it okay. You can paraphrase or even take direct quotations but you must attribute it to the source directly. If you use the web site as a reference/source to write the section in your own words, then there is no need to attribute it directly, just place a link under Sources or References. If your intent was to use this information as a reference for which you plan to write on the subject, create a sub page of your user page and paste the information there. When you're done, you can add your material to this article.
- "In terms of additional sources, what information exactly do you feel is not sourced?" I was hoping you would tell me what was copied. At this point I think you should remove all the information taken from other web sites. Needless to say, you can use them as sources but you cannot copy the work directly. --Inahet 19:39, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
- I have taken out the two sections that were copied. I am now going in and added the sources for the other informaiton in the article. I will finish added the sources tomorrow and will work on a revised version of the Operation Magic Carpet--EhavEliyahu 23:43, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Whosoever wrote this article introduces the term Sanaite Jews without once explaining what that means.
- The article is still in progress so there are a number of things that can be explored in more detail.--EhavEliyahu 19:10, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
I believe it would be an excellent addition to add source information pertaining to where details of the legend of the Sanaaite Jews may be obtained. Certainly it is recorded somewhere within their historical writings, correct? LGAcheson 17:33, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
Asia in topic
Can this article be moved to History of the Jews in Yemen like all the other similar articles? This way it also fits the template. NYC2TLV 10:25, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
- I think this article is still valid the way it is. There are articles similar to it like Sephardic Jews, Mizrahi Jews, Beta Israel, etc.--EhavEliyahu 20:21, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
Remaining Jews in Yemen?
שלום אחיי - I suppose the answer to this question will probably be 'no' (although I hope it won't), but: are there any remaining Jews in Yemen? What conditions do they live and worship in? It'd be good if we can include some information on this in the article! Thx&greetings from foggy Manchester, FreshBreeze 22:42, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
- The information about the Jews who remain in Yemen is sparse. People with travel to Israel or with Israeli passports are not allowed to visit the Jews there. The only Jews allowed in are ones who are anti-Zionist. So there is not going to be a dearth of information about the few Jews who are still there.--EhavEliyahu 19:01, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
- The original ethnic Jews look like these Yemenite Jews (black hair and olive skin), together with the traditional costumes they're wearing. The ones you often see today with ligther complexion with the black suit piece and broad-brimmed hat are the Ashkenazi or Shepardi (European) Jews (e.g. Adam Sandler, Paul Newman, Bitty Schram and Jemima Khan) - as there have been common intermarriage ever since the Jews set foot in Europe. --Fantastic4boy 09:47, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
The table at the bottom, History of the Jews in Asia, contains overwhelmingly dead links to non-articles. Should this be deleted? Shlomo Mizrahi 06:00, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
- The following sentence, at the end of the "History of the Community" section, is controversial and significant, and requires appropriate citation if it is to be kept: "They would later be accused of taking the children away from their parents, inoculating the children with secular philosophy, and forcing them to abandon their 2,000+ years traditions of maintaining long peyot and other Orthodox Jewish religious customs." Newacct 02:11, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
- I deleted it.--EhavEliyahu 03:34, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
persecution by islam
i fail to understand why all the history on this is left out without even a footnote mention on the english wiki. Jaakobou 15:40, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
- Mainly because the article is not in a finished state. If you have information you want to add please do. Thanks.--EhavEliyahu 04:25, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
- I'm not a Yemanite or a Yemenite Jews expert, but such attrocities as the Maoze exlie/genocide and the decree mentioned in the hope-simpson document should be in this article... i hope someone will either do the research or call out a relative for that information. Jaakobou 00:56, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
I knew a man, in Israel, who had personally experienced this. I knew him for many years and he was quite trustworthy. In addition, I personally knew an older couple who related to me how they were told to shower, prior to setting foot in Israel. While they were showering, their valuables, and traditional cloths, were stolen. Instead, they were given trousers and shirts. I also have a book (in Hebrew), that details the kidnappings and other atrocities. It includes much documentation. So these facts should not be in dispute. The name of the book is "On The Claws of Eagles". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rhayat (talk • contribs) 01:09, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
Yeah knowing man is not a valid source. There is a discrimination in Yemen against Jews that's for sure but not to the level this article is mentioning. I'm surprised by the fact that nothing is mentioned about how Yemenite were treated when they first moved to Israel. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kendite (talk • contribs) 01:15, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
their present state
i honestly thing their welfare in israel should be included in this article, how they were not easily assimilated to israeli-ashkenazi society and the stories of Yemenite children being stolen during operation magic carpet, as well as their genetic-ethnic relations to yemenite gentiles. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 06:01, 13 March 2007 (UTC).
I agree. I think we should add the "genetic-ethnic relations" information to all the other articles pertaining to other Jewish communities as well. Let's begin with the article on the Jewish community of greatest population: Ashkenazim. They have a section linking their genetic roots to the Middle East, but how about some info. pertaining to their genetic-ethnic relations to European non-Jews?
Yosef [a blonde-hair blue-eyed Jew] ;) Omedyashar 12:42, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
- What you can do is go to the Kohen-Levi web-site and they have a lot of information about Ashkenazim and their connection to other Jewish communities. The information I added for this, the Yemenite article, I found on the internet. So there are a number of sources that can be added to the Ashkenazi article.--EhavEliyahu 16:10, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
The Satmar affiliated organisation mentioned in the main article is Mifal Chasodim Tovim Ezer L'yehudi Teimon ,46 Main Street Suit 234, Monsey,NY 10952 Tel: (845)629-1882 Fax:(845)774-8653 Rabbi Yitzchok Berel Hershkowitz, Administrator
To donate money for the needy jews in Yemen send to Hatzolas Pleitey Taimon c/o Rabbi Shimshon Hatucka, PO BOX 595, Monsey NY 10952
Jewish - Muslim relationship in Yemen through time
After prophet Muhammad had expelled or killed all Jews who were then settled in what is now-days Saudi-Arabia
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 17:52, 21 December 2008 (UTC) Well, this just sounds like a very casual reference to one-sided story, making it seem that Muhammad persecuted Jews and was a Jewish hater. Muhammad didn't make the order of killing Jews. It was a man named Saad bin Muath whom Jews chose as an arbitrator and decision-maker. He ordered killing of men of one specific tribe due to their treason (Banu Qurayzah). There was an official order of Jews to be expelled, but at the same time, if there were literally no Jews left during Muhammad's life in present-day Saudi Arabia due to Muhammad's expulsion and killing of Jews, then why is it commonly known in Islamic History that when Muhammad died, his shield was mortgaged with a Jew few days before his death.
The writer needs to be clarified.
The article has passed Sections 5) and 6). Work is needed on Sections 1), 2), 3) and 4).
Overall, the assessment is ON HOLD.
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Rise of Islam in Yemen section
Religious traditions section
Dor Daim and Iqshim dispute section
DNA Testing section
First wave of emigration: 1881 to 1914 section
19th-century Yemenite messianic movements section
Early history section
- Added sources and corrected older sources for legends. - done --EhavEliyahu (talk) 06:27, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
needs to be done
Early History section
- Entire section needs referencing. You cannot refer to "traditions" or "legends" References must be provided. Where do these legends and traditions come from ? You must have got them from somewhere ? Ensure that the entire section is correctly referenced as per WP:CITET]. Article will fail otherwise.
Yemenite Jews and Maimonides section
- The sentence starting "The average Jewish population,,,,,," does not make sense. How could it have possibly been only 3,000 particularly since the Early History section talks of the Jews actually ruling the country ? Rewrite and re-reference.
- Expand the sentence "When Saladin became sultan,,,,," Why did the trials of the Jews begin if Saladin was in conflict with Shi'ites ? It needs to be explained.
- Give a reference for the claim that the condition of the Jews was "miserable".
- Give a reference for the claim "they were said to have numbered 30,000"
Religious traditions section
- Sad'a is a non-existent link.
- Explain "Ma'lamed"
Form of Hebrew section
- Add a reference for the claim "which he rules is correct"
- Add a reference for the claim *misunderstanding of Saadia Gaon's words"
- Expain "after the Spanish school"
DNA Testing section
- Wiki-link "haplotype"
- All books listed must have ISBN numbers.
Write a new section "Yemenite Jews today" divided into two-sub-sections, Yemenite Jews still living in Yemen and Yemenite Jews in Israel. What has happened to them ? Do they face discrimination in Israel and Yemen ? How is the community organised in Israel and Yemen ?
References must be found for the "legends" and "traditions" mentioned in the article. If you cannot find the references then delete all mention of "legends" and "traditions". Wikipedia must be fact based.
Article is stable without major edit wars.
Free public domain phtos are used. Good use of photos. No Fair Use photos.
The corrections, as specified above, must be done by 18 December 2007. Contact me when they have been and I shall re-assess.
GA Status Fail
I note that, though some of the work, required to achieve GA Status, was done, most was not. I regard the outstanding work as being material. I, therefore, have no alternative but to declare that the article has now been assessed as a FAIL.
Solution to Arabia vs Saudi Arabia vs Arabian Peninsula
Please see the following articles that should now solve the problems we have been discussing:
- The History of the Jews in Arabia page is now the History of the Jews in Arabia (disambiguation) page (see it to understand the comprehensive nature of the solution and why it is necessary.
- A new main article is now History of the Jews in the Arabian Peninsula that summarizes the Jewish histories within and connected to the areas of all the present countries in the Arabian Peninsula.
- The History of the Jews in Saudi Arabia is now part of a set of nine articles that relate to the nine countries in the present day Arabian Peninsula, as follows:
- The main category for all the above is now the new Category:History of the Jews in the Arabian Peninsula which is itself a sub-category of: Category:History of the Arabian peninsula, Category:Jewish history by region, Category:Jews and Judaism in Southwest Asia, Category:Judeo-Islamic topics
This took me a while to write, research and organize, but it was well worth the time and efforts I put into it to create clarity and avoid confusion from now on. Thank you very much, IZAK (talk) 13:37, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
- Looks very nice. I'm thinking we should consider making two separate articles from the Yemenite Jews article: 'History of the Jews in Yemen' which will be linked into the History article list and 'Yemenite Jews' which will have a small history section with a wiki-link to the main History article, and will focus more on culture and features, and also perhaps on the Yemenite Jews who came to Israel. Thoughts? JaakobouChalk Talk 21:35, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
A recent article in the Jewish Chronicle  about Yemeni Jews preparing to be brought to London by Haredi Jews says: "They speak Yiddish, Hebrew and Arabic; some have learnt English." Can that Yiddish bit be correct? I can't imagine why they would speak Yiddish. BobFromBrockley (talk) 10:59, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
Query - Tihamah expulsion
I fail to see the importance of speculating on the proportion of "sub-Saharan" (i.e. black African) genetic material. It is routinely included in DNA articles on Jews and treated almost as an infection.
It is included in the article due to it being a part of a DNA study where the question of Ethiopian Jewish migration was in question. There are some believe that maybe the Ethiopian Jews descend from Yemenite Jews who crossed over into Ethiopia. The DNA testing sheds light that this connection may not of been the case. What is being discussed is not a matter of disease, but of information about genetic testing and migrations of people. --EhavEliyahu (talk) 11:18, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
The article regarding Yemen Jews and DNA states:
DNA testing between Yemenite Jews and various other of the world's Jewish communities shows a common link, with most communities sharing similar paternal genetic profiles. Furthermore, the Y-chromosome signatures of the Yemenite Jews are also similar to those of other Middle Eastern populations.
My question is: how can there be a common link between all Jewish communities paternal genetic profiles when it is a well-known fact that there was wholesale proselyzing by Jewish "missionaries" and a concomitant wide-spread conversion of significant gentile populations throughout the greater Mediterranean area during the period 200BCE-300CE? SanFranEditor (talk) 18:07, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
Mr. Philip the fact is archaeological evidence and the genetic proximity between Yemenite Jews and non Jewish Yemenite people that suggests a an Arabic/Bedouin origin for Yemenite Jews, paternal/maternal lineages make up a fraction of ones ancestry. As for the ancestors of the Ashkenazis and Sephardis, there's a very close genetic proximity between these and Italian populations, so much so that in most cases Ashkenazis and Sephardis cluster not in the Levant but in Italy, the result of this is a European component among Ashkenazis and Sephardis called K5, if K5 were to be removed then the Ashkenazis shift from Italians and Greeks to Druze and Lebanese Muslims, this suggests admixture between Jews and host European populations during the pre Christian Roman era. Here's my source in the case of the European ancestry of Ashkenazis/Sephardis: "http://digitalcommons.wayne.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1040&context=humbiol_preprints". As for the Arabic origin of Yemenite Jews, my source is the book, "The story of the Jews Volume 1" by Simon Schama, a known British historian who happens to have a Wikipedia page. Guy355 (talk) 16:53, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
Yemen's last Jews set to flee country
Orphaned references in Yemenite Jews
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Yemenite Jews's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "CBS":
- From Israelis: Israel in Figures 2007, Israeli Central Bureau of Statistics, 2009.
- From Black Hebrew Israelites: Associated Press (April 5, 2006). "Music Earns Black Hebrews Some Acceptance". CBS News. Retrieved 2008-05-25.
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 04:44, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
Arab dating source
"In 1881, the French vice consulate in Yemen wrote to the leaders of the Alliance in France, that he read a book of the Arab historian Abu-Alfada, that the Jews of Yemen settled in the area in 1451 BC." According to Jewish chronology Israelites were at this time still in Egypt. Joseph (Biblical figure) died in 1452 BCE/2309. 2923–2963 Solomon reigns as king of Israel (1 Kings 26:42) and this time frame is far more likely --Meieimatai? 11:52, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
Claims of discrimination in Israel
I saw that some IP removed this claim though maybe unwarranted it really rise some questions Does any one here have some kind of source that verify this claim.It probably should be some poll that claims it.--Shrike (talk) 11:45, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Last night I attended a Yemenite Jewish wedding. The invitation informed me I would be attending a "Talbis", but when I googled this could not find any information whatsoever. The custom pertains only to the community of Aden. I believe it should be documented on the web, so I added it to the end of the Yemenite wedding customs section. The picture at http://www.bhol.co.il/article.aspx?id=28876 might be uploadable, but I don't know for sure if it's not copyright - the Hebrew article gives no name to the photographer but it is a news website.Written by Yael U 05:23, 13 December 2011
article in Haaretz - copyright violation
It is perfectly fine to use the recent Haaretz article, but the text someone inserted is copy-pasted with only one or two words changed. This is a copyright violation. Also it is just the introduction and not a great summary of the whole thing. Please paraphrase the information instead of copying. Zerotalk 01:07, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
This article is hilarious
It doesn't mention anything about how Yemenite Jews discriminated against in Israel, and no the yemeni government didn't go to extreme measure to keep them as a matter of fact they want them leave.  This article is heavily biased especially the section "Muslim Jewish relationship". I don't know what History book is he reading but Yemen was not occupied by Arabs. Yemen is occupying the southern half of the Arabian peninsula and converted to Islam from paganism in 7th century without a war. Mohammed sent a message to the Kings of Himyar ( As most Jews were living under their protection) stating that a Jew may stay on his religion as long as he/she pay their "jizya" (and Muslims have to pay Zakat). The himyrate Kings were the ones who sent to Mohammed telling him that they had converted to islam and willing to kill Al-Aswad Al-Ansi (who expelled the Persians and some Jews from yemen and claimed prophecy).
A lot of things mentioned here need to be validated.
- "a new status of "Dhimmi" (or heretic)"! Are you kidding me? This is just an example of how this article is being used to further agenda with no regard to accuracy.
Overlap with Jewish exodus article
Please see discussion at Talk:Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_and_Muslim_countries#Overlap_with_.22History_of_the_Jews_in....22_articles. Oncenawhile (talk) 10:11, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
The well placed sources for the Arab/Israelite heritage of Yemenite Jews
I'll explain, the first source  shows that Yemenite Jews plot next to Saudis and Bedouins. The 2nd link  shows that Yemenite Jews form a cluster with their host populations, and the third link  shows the Jewish kingdom that existed in Yemen and had many converts. Guy355 (talk) 07:21, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
Those are pictures of non-Yemenite jews
According to the first paragraph, most of the pictured people were not born in Yemen nor did they live in Yemen - thus are not Yemenite jews. Maybe the heading should say something like "Jews of a Yemen descent"? Gil_mo (talk) 19:50, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
- DNA Evidence for Common Jewish Origin and Maintenance of the Ancestral Genetic Profile, By Rabbi Yaakov Kleiman 
- Reuben Ahroni, Jewish Emigration from the Yemen, 1951-98: Carpet Without Magic, pp.xi-xii, p.20
- The Road to Redemption: The Jews of the Yemen, 1900-1950By Tudor Parfitt p.56