Talk:Yongsan Garrison

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It seems that the narrative about the two dead schoolgirls is far too long, given that it is only incidentally related to the subject of the article [Yongsan Base]. Suggest it be cut down to two or three sentences and the bulk of it relocated to an article on US Forces Korea. any disagreement with that? Shirokuma1 04:01, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

  • sounds reasonable to me.Rockford1963 03:34, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Sounds good to me as well Queerbubbles (talk) 02:28, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
  • additionally, this does not deal exclusively with yongsan itself... demonstrations occur outside all foreign military installations on the peninsula. suggest moving the dead schoolgirls section to new page Clown (talk) 04:33, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
no more suggesting... DONE! Clown (talk) 09:47, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

The reference to the traffic accident in Area I (Uijeongbu) should be removed or extremely limited. Although it caused some demonstrations and anti-Americanism in Seoul, it didn't happen at Yongsan Garrison.--D200guy (talk) 23:11, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

References[edit]

There is a template at the top of the page which states that the article contains no citation... however all of the citations are at the bottom of the page and not imbedded in the actual article. If someone wants to go ahead and do the leg work, that would be awesome. Otherwise, I changed the format so that it doesnt look cluttered. Queerbubbles (talk) 02:28, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

I would do this but it's got citation numbers up to 26 and there are only 13. Should in-article reference numbers 14-26 be replaced by the {{citation needed}} tag or is there more than one reference per entry? ~RayLast «Talk!» 18:57, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
I have no clue, I didnt create the refs. Queerbubbles | Leave me Some Love 21:30, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done Had to look back to a diff in May 2007 to see what went where and how "half" the sources were missing (they weren't). ZsinjTalk 09:58, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Wrong year on the map[edit]

The map cites 1990, yet the article claims the golf course was given to the city in 1992. The golf course is not on the map, which means it's from after 1992. Granted, it's before 2004 when the bridge was built and before the Helipad near Lombardo Field was constructed, but the date on the imageS caption is the inaccuracy I wish to point out. ZsinjTalk 10:03, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

I sure would like to see some photos of Yongsan Garrison rather than a map. For force protection reasons, the map should not be there. Photos of Yongsan are in the public domain at the USAG-Yongsan Flickr Site.--D200guy (talk) 23:08, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for removing the map! I am the PAO for Yongsan Garrison ~ thanks for telling the Yongsan story! --D200guy (talk) 07:22, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Without disclosing the nature of my work on Yongsan Garrison, I can verifiably state that the map in question, while filled with building numbers and labels to public facilities on the installation, does not violate any force protection guidelines. It is my opinion that this image did not need to be removed and adds content to the article. ZsinjTalk 05:44, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

The map is (or at least was) a public handout from Morale Welfare and Recreation and I'm sure North Korea got all the copies it needed years ago. It is not even "official use only". Removing it for "force protection" reasons is a little presumptuous. If you all want it, it's at [1]. -Rolypolyman (talk) 14:24, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Demonstrations[edit]

Yes, the section is written badly. Yes, it doesnt deserve that much weight. But seriously... do not clear cut it out. Either clean it up, or leave it be. But do not simply select and hit delete. This happened. It is very notable in the Seoul and greater ROK community. Qb | your 2 cents 12:38, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

The incident listed did not occur at Yongsan Garrison. To say there are demonstrations at Yongsan is fine, but nobody today is demonstrating about this incident that happened near Uijeongbu (far north of Yongsan). --D200guy (talk) 07:17, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Then change the wording to reflect such... but do not clear cut it completely out. Qb | your 2 cents 09:41, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Additional History[edit]

Yongsan (formerly Ryongsan, before grammatical/diction changes in Hangul were instituted in the early 20th century) has more history than what is indicated here and at the Yongsan Gu article. Ryongsan was a river crossing point (not as big as Mapo maybe), and had both a smaller palace for royal family members and a fairly significant temple in its precints (Korean Repository - 1893-1895 - can't remember the exact dates. Also see Bishop, Korea and her Neighbors). Additionally, it had been the site of truce talks between the Japanese and Koreans during the Imjin Waerin (1592-1598, or thereabouts). From 1884 to 1894 the Chinese were dominant in Korea and they actually had a military presence near Seoul. From conversations with Korean military officers, I believe the Chinese were encamped at the current site of Yongsan Army Garrison. I think the Japanese took over the site after their victory over the Chinese in 1894/5 but didn't start erecting permanent buildings until after defeating the Russians in 1905, when they began stationing large-scale military units into the country.

With the watercourse that runs east to west (aka "Perfume River") through the current garrison site this would make it a reasonable location for a military encapment of some size.

So, does anyone out there have info on the use of what is now the Yongsan Army Garrison prior to 1905? 144.59.12.230 (talk) 03:43, 31 October 2008 (UTC)Thomas Aidan Bothwell

Moving out[edit]

I thought that the US military was finally moving out of Seoul to another base to the south-west some time within the next few years. No mention of it in the article.--Jeff79 (talk) 15:36, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Done.--Gibson Flying V (talk) 02:38, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Burke Towers[edit]

Not to be completely pedantic here, but then-1LT Burke was not "posthumously" awarded the Medal of Honor. His own Wikipedia page and numerous other MOH-related sites are clear that he survived the battle, lived to collect the award, and retired from the Army as a colonel in 1978. He died at home of a heart attack in 1999.

Now Burke Towers was named for him after his death, but it was not a posthumous award.72.171.0.138 (talk) 15:37, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Re-structure of article[edit]

The topic of the article is (and should be) the area known as Yongsan Garrison. It will remain so when HQ USFK moves out. What happens to the area is another question which can be answered as the facilities are closed. USAG-Yongsan is the military unit which occupies and operates the area. What happens to USAG-Y, as a military unit, is another question as well. (Perhaps a new article for the military unit can be developed.) I've done some restructuring of the article to reflect proper topic focus. More work is needed, especially to remove some of the PAO-type material. – S. Rich (talk) 17:10, 4 August 2014 (UTC)