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Don't know how to edit Wikipedia articles correctly. Someone fix and or remove this on the page: Broadway to Yonkers is also dealings ground for many members of D-Block. Hit me up, Walnut Street. Hit me up, Walnut Street? Are you guys okay with that? No? Fix it! LOL Signed, by Me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 20:56, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
- from WDC9 I believe there is a slight error in the name of one of the Slavic churches listed in the History portion of this entry on Yonkers. It should be St. Michael's Ukrainian Catholic Church, not St. John the Baptist Ukrainian Catholic Church. I don't know how to make this change. I was born in Yonkers 61 years ago, but moved out over 40 years ago. I cannot find any reference to a "St. John the Baptist Ukrainian Catholic" in Yonkers, but I know there is a St Michael's. (This is the end of my comment. I have obviously never done this before and I apologize for not knowing the appropriate etiquette for attempting to make a correction) *****
when i read this i could hardly believe that nothing is mentioned about the Polish, Chechoslovakian neighborhoods....the Alexander Smith Carpet Factory & Otis Elevator had many, many employees of Eastern European ancestry. You would think Yonkers was made up of Italians and Irish only by the discreption in Wikipedia. Totally untrue!!! I grew up in "The Hollow", born in 1939 & left the area in the early sixties. I recall Yonkers & my neighborhood of Poles keeping on eye on the children going to & from school, etc. Meeting the Irish, Italian, Polish, Russian, etc. people. Everyone had something worthwhile to contribute. Ethnically, we were all proud people & yet melded together. There were Catholic churches & schools, & Ukrainian and Russian orthodox. Many intermarriages in the late 50's. Marvelous memories from all these cultures. Fun going to the Italian section for their Feast eating the delicious Italian pastries & Italian Ice; going to the Polish bazaar & eating kielbasa w/ kraut; going to the Ukranian festival & eating their foods & celebrating w/ them their different calendar when their choralers came to apartments singing in January to celebrate Christmas; and to the beautiful Russian orthodox church in the "Hollow" observing their altar, priest's vestments, and solemn ceremonies. As teenagers, we were not prejucided. We were one. What a beautiful combination of cultures all striving to survive in difficult times. I have the most wonderful memories of a warm, colorful, safe "old world" in Yonkers.
Weasel Words / Citations
I've tagged this page with weasel words and more citations needed tags to address the issues discussed on this talk page. The "neighborhoods" section needs the most work - it's full of sweeping generalizations and has absolutely no citations. Other sections in the article also need references added. These tags should stay until these issues are addressed and the article as a whole is cleaned up. See "Image" section below for more details. Also, I've grouped together the neighborhood related talk threads on this page. Dale316 (talk) 01:50, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
Nricardo, is Cross County a neighborhood in Yonkers? I always figured that to be part of the Dunwoodie community.
- I guess it's a personal call. I don't really see Dunwoodie crossing the Thruway, but I could be wrong. As you put in your edits to the article, people in Yonkers don.t have a strong neighborhood identity. Nelson Ricardo 02:20, Dec 28, 2004 (UTC)
Dunwoodie Baptist Church is on Yonkers Ave east of the Thruway, that's what made me think of it. Also, that area is very Italian just like the areas west of the Thruway/Central Ave. In terms of neighborhood identity, it seems Yonkers takes after the Bronx, preferring street names to neighborhood names - like "Gun Hill Road" instead of "Norwood" or "Williamsbridge" or "South Broadway" rather than "Ludlow Park". In Queens it seems to be the exact opposite, where people will say they are from Flushing more often than they say they are from Queens. Kind of interesting.
There are some neighborhoods in Yonkers that definitely exist and are in common usage, like Crestwood near where I live. However I think Greystone and Glenwood are more train stations than neighborhoods, would you agree? One person I knew from the "Glenwood" area identified as living by Lake Avenue.
- Sounds about right. I was born and raised on Willow Street (it's just two blocks long), and I have no idea what the name of the neighborhood is. I think many Yonkersans (Yonkerites?) are the same way. Nelson Ricardo 16:52, Dec 28, 2004 (UTC)
It took me a while to realize this, but McLean Avenue is just McLean Avenue and Bronx River Road is just Bronx River Road. The City of Yonkers should start a campaign to instill neighborhood names into its residents, but putting up signs or something. Probably wouldn't work that well, but it would probably only distinguish residents from tourists. By the street neighborhood system Cross County would be a neighborhood.
Actually I think they already did put together a neighborhood map of Yonkers with 38 neighborhoods (does it really need that many?) However I don't think anyone really identifies with Seminary Heights.
- I added a neighborhood map of Yonkers. Tell me if you agree with it. I color coded the neighborhoods by region of Yonkers (NE, NW, SE, SW). Feedback from residents would be great...just tell me if you think my designations are wrong. I know I can't be 100% correct. Yes, I know the map is a little crude, I just made it on Paint today, it will be improving and streets will eventually be labelled.
I made some minor changes to the "History" section. "Jonkheer" was a nickname, not an official title. It was never spelled "Yonker," and much of the in-between etymology is apocryphal. There never was a family of "Phillipsberg;" the writer is thinking of the Manor of Philipsburgh which was the official name of Philipse's estate. The un-Anglicized version of Philipse's name has not been clearly established (Edward Hagaman Hall uses "Flipsen," but I believe "Felypsen" is more common). Once Philipse had arrived in the New World, the name was quite consitently spelled with one "l" and an "e" at the end. At any rate, those two paragraphs had some quirky sentence structure and syntax that needed cleaning up. Dyfsunctional 14:39, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
I also clarified the fact that it was Frederick Philipse III who was the Loyalist; Philipse I was born about 100 years too early! Dyfsunctional 14:43, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
- I'm from Yonkers too and I've never heard people say I'm from such and such neighborhood. Everyone usually refers to the name of the street where they reside or hang around with their friends. Being that Yonkers is a pretty large city, in my opinion there is no need to start worrying about the name of the neighborhoods. I don't think that it will make any difference.
I don't know about the statistics but Yonkers is just as bad as any other borough. I wish that it was a borough instead of Staten Island.
When people hear that it's in Westchester County they usually think that it's suburbia, until they come to the southern part and see exactly what it's like.
This sounds like a suburban inferiority complex to me. I think it would be pretty lame for me to try to compare my hometown of Eastchester to East New York or compare Bronxville to Brownsville. I don't know why Yonkers considers itself an exception. Yonkers does have some impoverished areas, but that doesn't make it a "borough", simply by virtue of lying outside NY city limits. Also, there are rich areas INSIDE city limits, so your logic makes no sense. Nobody ever sat down and said, "Lets gather up all the dirty, poor ghettoes and make them part of the city, and put all the rich suburban areas outside the city, and adjust the city line as demographics change." Wizard1022 03:27, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
- The whole neighborhoods thing for Yonkers is pretty pointless considering how little currency most of the names actually have. Thus, people in Yonkers do rely on street names for identifying a specific location, not "So-and-So Heights" or "So-and-So Park." Neighborhoods technically exist e/verywhere, but what varies is the extent to which they have names that are commonly used. Aside from Crestwood, there really are "no neighborhoods" in Yonkers. Wizard1022 03:20, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
- I completely disagree with all of this. Yonkers has community names that date back hundreds of years. Although some names are no longer used by the general population today, they still do apply. We should be sticking to real names with historical and official backing even if colloquial usage dictates otherwise. For example, "Ludlow Park" is definitely not called "South Broadway", as the area of Ludlow Park does not even extend that far east. The community of Ludlow Park stretches from the Hudson River to the west side of Riverdale Avenue, as is covered by the L.P. Homeowners Association. Also, to respond to an above comment, I don't think that 28 community names are "too many", it's just the result of a very rich local history. People who are not aware of community names or use street names instead (as mentioned by another user above) are simply uninformed. Dale316 (talk) 01:26, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
- from Wiki: "Northwest Yonkers is a collection of widely varying neighborhoods, spanning from the Hudson River to around the New York State Thruway/I-87 and from Ashburton Avenue north to the Hastings-on-Hudson border." Being raised in this area of Yonkers, I can agree too this (with some knowledge). If Wiki's description of the location of Northwest Yonkers is true (and I do believe it is) then the Hudson River Museum and Andrus Planetarium are CLEARLY part of Northwest Yonkers, not the Southwest. In Wikipedia, the description of Northwest and Southwest Yonkers each include the Hudson River Museum. It can only be in one area, not both. Clearly the Hudson River Museum is located in Northwest Yonkers (along with the planetarium). Can someone please change the Southwest description in Wiki, it is not "also home to the Hudson River Museum with it's Andrus Planetarium." Must have been some real estate agent trying to raise the value of Southwest Yonkers' properties. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 14:05, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
- I grew up in Northwest Yonkers near two block section of Palisade Ave between Chase and Roberts Ave and corrected "Uriks" to properly read "Urich's". Additionally this two block area was more widely known as "the north end" as opposed to just "the end". Local youths however sometimes do shorten it to "the end".
I altered the reference to Yonkers being bordered on the north by the "Towns" of Hastings-on-Hudson and Greenburgh. Hastings-on-Hudson is, of course, a Village within the Town of Greenburgh. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 00:06, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
- Didn't somebody once have a List of neighborhoods in Yonkers, New York article once? We should be able to add articles like Winchester Villages, Armour Villa, Yonkers, and such to it. -------User:DanTD (talk) 16:28, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
I Itsalian make greta pizza a pie." As an Italian-American, I personally feel that the Italian race should not be bunched together in a group known as "whites," when Italian-Americans have not always had, and in many cases, still do not have, the same priviledged "white" lifestyle as the real whites in America.
- First, please sign your posts. Second, I doubt that you are actually an Italian American. You are probably just some troll. Italians, despite having last names that end ina a vowel, are very much in the mainstream of American life. More so than any other group except WASPs and Irish Americans. --Nelson Ricardo 04:24, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
I'm sorry that I didn't sign my post, sir. I didn't know you were the sole proprietor of this website. Next time I'll go through you first. I'm not trying to start anything or aggravate anyone, and if you were offended by what I said before, I'm sorry. But I don't see how it could have been offensive since I merely stated some personal observations and facts. I don't want this to turn into a battle, and I'm not going to say anything again after this. But I do disagree with you greatly over how "mainstream" Italians are in American culture. I find there are very few Italian characters in American comic books, tv shows, and movies, and the few Italian American characters that do exist are either stereotypes or criminals. And personally, having my own Italian culture, I don't quite fit in with WASPs, Irish Americans, or any other culture you consider "mainstream" in American. It seems to me looking different and having a vowel at the end of your name does in fact make a difference, and you would know this if you were ever called a racial slur right to your face. Don't dismiss my complaints because you feel my minority group isn't as discriminated against as others. Because I have news for you: Legally, no one is "discriminated" against anymore. But that law doesn't really help in social situations, does it? Signed: I'm Here
- I would have to agree with the above. The way the ethnic makeup of southeast Yonkers is described in the article makes it sound like the area is populated by assimilated white Americans, which is patently false. Italians, Irishmen, Slavs, Jews, and so on are usually considered to be "ethnic" whites, which is a very different grouping from the WASPs most people envision when they hear the term white. And yes, members of all of these groups have faced prejudice not so far in the past. Furthermore, many of the residents of this section of Yonkers are recent immigrants. You'll hear lots of accents on McLean Avenue, and even among those who were born in the US, there is usually a strong tendency to identify with one's ethnic community in Yonkers. It's not a coincidence that the Irish watering holes in the neighborhood are primarily patronized by the Irish-Americans of the area. (Incidentally, I spent the first 17 years of my life living off McLean Avenue right by the intersection where the character of the street starts to shift from Italian to Irish (although I am neither). I would say most of my neighbors were ethnic whites. In recent years, though, the neighborhood has been seeing more and more houses being sold to black, south Asian, and Latino families.) -E.J.G.
In my opinion, this section is a POV nightmare. Let me point out some passages:
- Beyond the dependence on WP:WEASEL, this supposed perception is never contrasted with reality (i.e. actual statistic) and is therefore meaningless.
Several native rappers such as DMX and Jadakiss help contribute to the criminal mystique of Yonkers. The most dangerous neighborhoods are considered Getty Square and Nodine Hill, both havens for illegal gambling and drug activity. Gangs in Yonkers range from Italian Mafia groups such as The Tanglewood Boys, which is a recruiting body for the Lucchese Family, to Puerto Rican gangs, to African-American chapters of the New York Crips and Bloods.
- The bit about the rappers is probably overstated, and the rest needs a source.
In fact, Yonkers has the lowest crime rate of any city of its size in the United States. This low rate is undoubtedly helped by the proximity to New York City. Much of the petty crime that one would expect to find in a large city is effectively "outsourced" to the Bronx or Upper Manhattan; the high-crime neighborhoods of Washington Heights and the South Bronx are only ten minutes' drive away. Also, in recent years, New York City itself has had one of the lowest crime rates of major U.S. cities, and this "spillover" effect of reduced crime has lowered neighboring Yonkers' crime rate as well.
- If the first sentence is true, I shouldn't have any trouble finding statistics to back it up. As for the rest of the paragraph, it claims that high crime rates in NYC are to blame for the low ones in Yonkers, then claims that low crime rates in NYC cause the same phenomenon.
The final paragraph is probably fine, although it'd be better with a source. I'm going to look for some statistics to solidify this section, but I suspect a lot of it is going to have to go. What say you? --djrobgordon 22:22, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
I removed a reference to what appeared to be a gang in Nepera Park with no link or references, as well as an individual under notable persons with no article, who appeared to have placed himself (Mike Haggerty). Eran of Arcadia 16:28, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
- I also removed Darryl A Gibbs and Mike Willsen as they had no links to articles or citations of any sort. Eran of Arcadia 16:40, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
Modify Article Head
The second paragraph of the existing article head clearly doesn't belong in the head; I'm not sure if it belongs in the article at all. Any opinions/consensus? -DrGaellon (talk | contribs) 18:03, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
I removed a sentence that said that Yonkers is currently being considered for annexation to the City of New York as its "sixth borough." There is no evidence of this. The last time this issue was seriously debated was in 1934. See http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F70810F7395B107A93C1A9178AD95F408385F9 126.96.36.199 (talk) 21:49, 19 October 2
Census data and illegal immigration
According to the census information given here, there would be roughly 68,600 people of a Hispanic or Latino origin in Yonkers. That number has to be higher. The census numbers given probably don't take into account undocumented immigrants. In other words, there are alot more Hispanic/Latino citizens in Yonkers, I'd be willing to guess pushing 50 percent of the population. People who live in Yonkers what do you think? 188.8.131.52 (talk) 23:43, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
Yonkers can be difficult to describe
Well it is a city. Under the laws of New York State it is considered a municipality. It has a population of roughly 200,000 and is 21 square miles in area.
- Sure; see Core-periphery; every place is in the middle of one or more regions and at the edges of other regions. Yonkers is in the commuting zone of Manhattan, it's on the left bank of the Hudson, it's in the northern temperate zone, it has forests in the middle (I often visit that part), it fits some meanings but not all connotations of Inner suburb and so forth. Its internal geographic structure is also vague, at least to my mind. Quadrants? Where are the dividing lines, other than Nepperhan Creek? Cross County Parkway? Tibbets Creek? In what quadrant is Yonkers Gateway Motel? Or Mulberry Street? Jim.henderson (talk) 00:53, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
- what forests in the middle? I'm curious. I know most of the wooded areas are in the northwest part. I guess you mean the wooded area near the parkways? You're response is funny too. I deleted my earlier comments but left yours. The heading difficult to describe should be enough.
- I like the woods along the southern part of the South County Trailway. Anyway the question of subdivision remains, lately in connection with Commons:Category:Yonkers, New York. That category is subdivided topically but I'd like to subdivide it geographcally as well, and need definitions to do that. One definition of Northwest Yonkers uses only Sawmill River, while another uses Ashburton Avenue and I-87, thus excluding much of Downtown and including various incland territories such as St Joseph's. Is one of these more accepted than the other, or is there perhaps a better one? Jim.henderson (talk) 13:04, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
How about a decent map? On the map of NY state, Yonkers is given as a pinpoint. The Boroughs of New York acticle has a map in which Richmond (Staten Island) is purple in the SW, but there's another area, in a different color of purple, in the SE. There's no explanation there. Is it actually part of Richmond that's far removed from Staten Island, ala East Pakisran/West Pakistan, separated from each other by India? Is it a sixth borough without a name? Is it Yonkers? Is it Tombs? Is it Riker's Island? 184.108.40.206 (talk) 11:47, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
Yonkers on tax forms
On the state tax forms in new york, you are asked if you are a resident of new york city, a resident of yonkers, or neither. As someone who is not, does anyone know what's up with that? (I read most of the article, but I skimmed it...) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kude90 (talk • contribs) 10:34, 15 March 2013 (UTC)