Talk:Zakarpattia Oblast

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History at the wrong place[edit]

The oblast was formed only after the war but as of now the entire history section is devoted to the interwar period. This rightfully needs merged into Carpathian Ruthenia and the post-war times need to be described instead. Also, when doing so, please avoid duplicating and attempts to reproduce the History of Ukraine in 2-3 sentences of narrow articles about locations. Only what's relevant to the location belongs here rather than general phrases like "Since 1991 the territoryu became part of independent Ukraine..." So was every territory of UkrSSR. Since this is going to be written anew, let's avoid common traps. --Irpen 03:42, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

  • This region has been always considered very important on the military strategy point of view because it can control all the wide Pannonian lowlands. --Deguef (talk) 17:05, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Latin Europe[edit]

Hello Zakarpattia Oblast! There is a vote going on at Latin Europe that might interest you. Please everyone, do come and give your opinion and votes. Thank you. The Ogre (talk) 21:17, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

New information deleted, inconsistent with Wiki standards[edit]

I am new to Wikipedia, so that is why I added explicitly "please help me edit the following reference to Wiki-standards"

Now, please, help me edit this into appropriate wiki-material:

Priest Sidor is identical with Father Dymytrij Sydor which a few years ago raised the funds to build a massive new cathedral at Uzhgorod, one of the largest in eastern Europe. The Magazine Hidden Europe (www.hiddeneurope.co.uk) reports: - - (please help me edit the following reference to Wiki-standards) - - "All eyes are now on the assembly of Ukraine's Zakarpattya Oblast which meets in Uzhgorod on 1 December. The assembly is unlikely to back Father Sydor separatist aspirations. For not only does the region have a large number of Ukrainians, but it is also home to other minorities beyond the Rusyns, notably the Hutsuls. But Dymytrij Sydor is not a man to back down easily. If the oblast assembly does not support the Rusyns claim for independence, then Father Sodor says that the Rusyn minority will consider more forceful ways of securing their goals."

Wikarth (talk) 11:14, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Language[edit]

The only official language is Ukrainian and not any other without any exceptions. The link provided does not support the fact that in some seven villages the official language is Hungarian. That is crazy and needs to be checked as it gives bias information. And if there will be no responses on this subject it will be removed. People come up with all kinds of strange stuff like that the official language of Crimea is Russian. It is de facto language, but it does not make it automatically the official, please, refer to the Constitution of Ukraine for more information. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 03:37, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

I'll clarify: minority citizens/inhabitants in 7 villages of the Muchachivskyi Raion can choose to educate their children in Hungarian. This is from the Zakarpattia Oblast State Administration website. No one is saying that Hungarian is co-official in Zakarpattia. Maybe the "Hungarian language has some official rights" part confused you.. The language just has some rights as a language of a minority in several of those villages. Though don't forget Article 10 of the Constitution: In Ukraine, the free development, use and protection of Russian, and other languages of national minorities of Ukraine, is guaranteed. Feel free to reword it to make it less confusing. —dima/talk/ 03:56, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

The only official language is Ukrainian. And I have nothing to add.Ultrasonic220 (talk) 22:42, 23 February 2009 (UTC)Ultrasonic220

  • A liberal country should recognize also other languages spoken by minority ethnic groups.--Deguef (talk) 17:13, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
    • Does your comment has any relevance to this article.93.73.16.199 (talk) 11:51, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Flag[edit]

Why isn't File:Zakarpattia-Oblast-flag.gif used in the infobox, and why is there a message stating Please do not include any flags into this field; the province does not have any officially-recognized flags? Can anyone explain this? Spiby 15:30, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
The council of this oblast hasn't adopted any flag yet. This is the only oblast in Ukraine without its own flag. Iurii.Fedyshyn (talk)Iurii.Fedyshyn

A flag has been adopted! But is is slightish different the the one in the infobox. You can see a picture of the new flag here. — Mariah-Yulia (talk) 23:06, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
Oh! Thank you, Mariah-Yulia. This question was interesting for me. I looked throught the news and really this flag was adopted yesterday. Now there is a need to update this article in other languages.Iurii.Fedyshyn (talk) 22:22, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Some comment about autonomy of Transcarpathia[edit]

Here are some comments of an author about this issue. He says that some scholars confuse "autonomy" and "self goverment status", and this is what happened on December 1991 un Ukraine. I think that it is important to include it in the article, because it show other pont of view. Here it is the reference: Kuzio, Taras "The Rusyn Question in Ukraine: sorting out fact from fiction". Canadian Review of Studies in Nationalism, XXXII, 2005. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.18.132.150 (talk) 02:39, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Demographics section: Rusyns and/or Ukrainians?[edit]

Hi, I replaced the opening sentence of the second paragraph in this section. The text as it stood declared:

"Although ethnic Rusyns are in the majority (80.5%), other ethnic groups are relatively numerous in Zakarpattia."

As source, a reference was included to the English-language pages of the Ukrainian census site, with the 2001 census results for the Zakarpattia region. (I updated the link to those pages, as they changed the URL.) In addition, an editing note was added to say: "2001 Ukrainian Census does not recognise Rusyns as a separate nation, instead, as a subgroup of Ukrainians. Rusyns and the Rusyn language are thus included in Ukrainians and Ukrainian language group."

This was a bit problematic. The census results provided in the source say nothing about what percentage of the population is Rusyn, specifically: they just list 80.5% of the population as being Ukrainian. If the editing note is right that this is because the census did not recognize Rusyns as a separate nationality, and they were subsumed among Ukrainians, that makes sense - but that doesn't make it OK to bluntly declare all of those 80.5% Ukrainians to be Rusyns. That's certainly not substantiated by the source given. Going only on the source, we have no idea how many of those 80.5% people declared Ukrainians are Rusyns, or really just Ukrainians. So I replaced the sentence with a more neutral wording, i.e.:

"Although Ukrainians, including ethnic Rusyns, are in the majority (80.5%), other ethnic groups are relatively numerous in Zakarpattia." No-itsme (talk) 02:39, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

Actually, if you delve into the Ukrainian-language 2001 census database, it does have a table with data for the "Distribution in the Transcarpathian region of those identifying themselves as Rusyns and indicating the Rusyn language as a native language," so the editing note isn't actually right. And it lists those people as making up just 0.54% of the total population of Zakarpattia. I suppose that this still leaves the question of how many people might identify themselves as Rusyns but do not speak Rusyn as their native language, but it's not up to Wikipedia to speculate. No-itsme (talk) 02:59, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

Name[edit]

Hello fellow Wikipedians! So I was just submitting a minor edit on the Hungarian Wikipedia regarding the Ukrainian and English version of the name of the region, and something caught my attention. I was looking for an English source on this page to support my edit for the English name version and I found none. "Google is youl fliend", said Pontius Pilate to the plebs back in the day, so I did a Google search and it did not retrieve any official source for the name version. (I even ventured to the abandoned wastelands of the Second and the Third pages of the Google search and still nothing.)

So I was wondering, what is the official English name for this region? "Transcarpatia" seems like a rough translation of the Ukrainian version, literally, "Over the Carpathian mountains", while the Hungarian version says "The [bottom] of the Carpathians", which could be best translated to "Subcarpathia". Perhaps the best version would be a Transcarpathia/Subcarpathia OR "Transcarpathia or else, Subcarpathia" kind of name? That would be most precise and encyclopedic in my opinion. What do the Slovekian and Romanian colleges say? I believe in Romanian, the "Transcarpathia" version is used, but how about Slovekian? How do the Slovekian citizens of the region call it?

So I'm going to submit a small edit to the "Name" section of the page, describing this background with the various versions, but I'm not editing the first section until we could come up with a more detailed version that all Wikipedians can agree on. --StarOfFlames (talk) 10:56, 2 March 2014 (UTC)