Talk:Zapatista Army of National Liberation

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[edit] first version

First version... style corrections are most welcome as I am not a native English speaker... thanks! -- User:Jose Icaza

I'm not sure what to say about this but, this line "but in any case they were no match for the Mexican army." Mexico's massive 70,000 man military(much sarcarsm) is enough to keep a group that wants the world to recognize them down? All this line does is make the Zapatista's seem like a small, insignificant, powerless group. If Jane's and the CIA Factbook are to be believed, then a single battalion of well armed militia could topple the Mexican Army, but a group who claims to have clout on an international scale are "no match for the Mexican army?" I reccomend some kind of re-write, as it seems most of the rest of the article indicates that they are an actual political force.

And the very presence of this debate proves that they do, in fact, have the power to at least stimulate support and discussion internationally. However, I think that line is referring to their military capabilities (and since overseas supporters are unable to provide extra clout on the battlefield, the distinction is tangible) as opposed to the Mexican army in addition to Mexican police and loyalist paramilitaries (which overall probably amount to around twice the capability of the army alone).

[edit] Their land?

The "Peaceful" statement is very accurate in comparison. The zapatistas have taken violent action less than 10 times while the government continues, they carry guns for protection not harm. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.178.188.207 (talk) 01:36, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

I would have already made this edit, but I'm told this is a very controversial page, so I will try to make my case for a neutral wording here. The second sentence of the first paragraph of this article has the following sentence: "Since 1994, they have been in a declared war 'against the Mexican state,' though this war has been primarily nonviolent and defensive against military, paramilitary, and corporate incursions on their territory." What troubles me here is the phrase "on their territory." This appears to imply that the EZLN legitimately owns the territory on which the fighting occurs (I realize that may not have been the original intention of the writer). As the land controlled by EZLN is evidently disputed between EZLN and the Mexican government, might in be better to call these "incursions on Zapatista-controlled land." Does this factual statement seem fair to all opinions? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mitchell Powell (talkcontribs) 20:35, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

I think the statement "peaceful" is inaccurate since they took arms against the mexican army, I will say that it is an Insurgent revolutionary group based in Chiapas. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.198.210.88 (talk) 21:16, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

I think the statement "peaceful" is inaccurate since they took arms against the mexican army, I will say that it is an Insurgent revolutionary group based in Chiapas. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.198.210.88 (talk) 21:19, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

         I have removed the ' peaceful' claim as the infobox claims they 'Participant in armed Insurgency against the Mexican Government for its implementation of the North American Free Trade Agreement' Please let me know if this is inappropriate. --129.11.115.55 (talk) 14:19, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

[edit] Marxism & My Edits

I haven't read this article in a while but I have noticed that pretty much all reference to the Marxist components of the EZLN have been scrubbed and that Zapatismo has been essentially equated to Anarchism. I find this to be an unacceptable POV violation, primarily because the Zapatistas themselves and serious scholars have recognized that Zapatismo does not fall cleanly into either Marxism or Anarchism - much less the very specific school of Anarcho-Communism. I've made some basic changes to reflect this and would welcome further assistance in making this article more accurate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anatoly-Rex (talkcontribs) 19:30, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

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