Talk:Zapatista Army of National Liberation

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first version[edit]

First version... style corrections are most welcome as I am not a native English speaker... thanks! -- User:Jose Icaza

I'm not sure what to say about this but, this line "but in any case they were no match for the Mexican army." Mexico's massive 70,000 man military(much sarcarsm) is enough to keep a group that wants the world to recognize them down? All this line does is make the Zapatista's seem like a small, insignificant, powerless group. If Jane's and the CIA Factbook are to be believed, then a single battalion of well armed militia could topple the Mexican Army, but a group who claims to have clout on an international scale are "no match for the Mexican army?" I reccomend some kind of re-write, as it seems most of the rest of the article indicates that they are an actual political force.

And the very presence of this debate proves that they do, in fact, have the power to at least stimulate support and discussion internationally. However, I think that line is referring to their military capabilities (and since overseas supporters are unable to provide extra clout on the battlefield, the distinction is tangible) as opposed to the Mexican army in addition to Mexican police and loyalist paramilitaries (which overall probably amount to around twice the capability of the army alone).

Marxism & My Edits[edit]

I haven't read this article in a while but I have noticed that pretty much all reference to the Marxist components of the EZLN have been scrubbed and that Zapatismo has been essentially equated to Anarchism. I find this to be an unacceptable POV violation, primarily because the Zapatistas themselves and serious scholars have recognized that Zapatismo does not fall cleanly into either Marxism or Anarchism - much less the very specific school of Anarcho-Communism. I've made some basic changes to reflect this and would welcome further assistance in making this article more accurate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anatoly-Rex (talkcontribs) 19:30, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

turkish subcommandantes ?[edit]

these names

are obviously made up. these are all turkish names. and DJ ? I reverted it. they are entered by 78.179.233.244 I also spotted 81.214.51.161 which made similar edits in turkish. please somebody who has time look for the activities of these IPs. --ArazZeynili (talk) 17:47, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Anti-globalization/diversity of tactics[edit]

There is a surprising amount of controversy around my additions to the external links section, specifically anti-globalization movement, global justice movement, and diversity of tactics. I suppose I may have contributed to this by inadvertently cancelling my own reversion of July 2nd. In any case, the connections are well-documented in the link I posted with my July 2 activity. In particular, I draw your attention to this article from the McGill Sociological Review which notes, regarding anti-globalization/ global justice movement, that:

While the Eurocentric slant of global media often point to the 1999 ‘taking back the streets’ in Seattle as the pinnacle event which launched the anti-globalization movement, it can be argued that it was in fact the Zapatista insurgency in Chiapas which catapulted this issue onto the international agenda, as a force to reckon with (Teivainen 2002)… Coinciding their protest with the siging of this trade agreement set a critical precedent which ensuing anti-globalization protests followed….

In the same article it states that "the Zapatista insurgency contributed to the transnational nature of the World Social Forum, [however] it is essential to note how they were thereafter excluded from Forum participation as a result of their avowed stance which included violence as a strategy for demanding change." The EZLN have consistently refused to surrender their arms (which include assault rifles) or jettison their clandestine military structure. At the same time, they have engaged in nonviolent actions and called for peace. This mixed strategy is a prime example of diversity of tactics. In fact, the international forum the EZLN itself helped found, People's Global Action, endorses diversity of tactics and an unconventionally broad (or as they put it, non-North American) definition of nonviolence.GPRamirez5 (talk) 02:47, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

The topics you add are tangentially related to this topic of this article, at best. IF they are added as see alsos about two dozen articles that are more obviously related would have to be added also.User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 02:52, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
What a bizarre assertion. If these hypothetical articles are "more obviously related" then why pray tell haven't they been proposed already? Could you, as a guide for us, propose three articles that are more related? 2607:FB90:150E:A6DA:0:30:55AF:3901 (talk) 04:57, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
"Indigenous peoples in Mexico", "Pan-Maya movement", "Mexican revolution", "Agrarianism", "the other campaign", "NAFTA", and I could go on.User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 05:16, 4 July 2014 (UTC)