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To point out 'essential Zen-teachings' is almost impossible, given the variety of schools, the extended history of 1500 years, and the emphasis on suchness, reality just-as-it-is, which has to be expressed in daily life, not in words.{{citation needed|date=February 2013}} But common to most schools and teachings is this emphasis on suchness, the Bodhisattva-ideal, and the priority of zazen.{{citation needed|date=February 2013}}

Those are my words, so they may as well be deleted. Greetings, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 21:09, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Edit explained[edit]

I eliminated "well-known" from "..the well-known genealogy of the Chán-school.". It's a bit pompous and it's highly unlikely that the genealogy is well-known to a reader of an encyclopedia article on Zen. --174.7.56.10 (talk) 00:30, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Compliments for giving an explanation, and compliments for the explanation itself! Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 05:39, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Restoration of "Chinese Chán"[edit]

The original version (That is, the last version of 2 february) was much longer, but cut down by me after feedback about the length of the article. But only restoring the "Origins and Taoist influences" and "Legendary or Proto-Chán - Six Patriarchs" subsections brings the history back to a point og more then a year ago, where the legendary is emphasised and the factual discarded. Since the late 1960s, a lot of research on Chán/Zen has been done; especially McRae gives a fine and concise overview on the factual history of Chán. This can't be left out; McRae does not only have very good academic credentials, he's also being picked-up by the contemporary western Zen-scene. The subsections from "Early Chán and Classical Chán - Tang dynasty (618–907)" on give more details on this periodisation, without being too detailed - that is, compared to the huge amount of data available. Greetings, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 18:56, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

,Supposed, spontaneity?[edit]

The section of Periodisation includes the phrase "producing the literature in which the supposed spontaneity of the celebrated masters was portrayed". Since the basis for the skeptical "supposed" is not supported, perhaps... "producing literature emphasizing the spontaneity of celebrated masters of the previous period". --174.7.56.10 (talk) 19:26, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

That did seem needlessly critical so I removed the word "supposed". Helpsome (talk) 19:56, 20 May 2013 (UTC)