Talk:Jüz

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Sources[edit]

to the previous editors, please add sources on controversial points. Levshin, Aristov, Grodekov, Kydaiberdyuli, Mukanov and all others gave different clan names and population figures. You need to incorporate controversies. Elim.kz is not the sole authority and they rely too much on Vostrov, Mukanov et al. study.You need to specify a source for the population numbers as different sources gave different numbers for highest level clans. Also clan names should not be taken for granted, different historical sources provided different clan names for each and every juz. Just an example, Tarakty should/could be a secondary level clan of Argyn. According to geneaology Uysun was the oldest ry that all others sprang from, it is not a contemporary clan name. There are just too many issues that need my attention in this article. I will keep an eye on it.cs (talk) 05:59, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Also there is no such thing as Lesser Juz or Greater Juz. A Kazakh speaker can clarify the nuances here. Ulu, Orta and Kishi Juz can be translated as Great/senior Middle and Little/junior but not as Lesser or Greater.cs (talk) 06:09, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The only thing of interest here is what they are called in English-language references. Actually, it would have been nice if any of this had been based on any references to begin with. What is the source for this list of tribal names? What was the source for the numbers cited? I am sure there is some source, but saying "Levshin, Aristov, Grodekov, Kydaiberdyuli, Mukanov" does not cut it, we need to know where exactly each bit of information is from. --dab (𒁳) 12:30, 7 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I googled it, and it turns out English language sources use either "Senior zhuz" or "Greater zhuz" (e.g. [1]), but almost exclusively zhuz (and not jüz or juz). --dab (𒁳) 12:34, 7 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 3 July 2018[edit]

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The result of the move request was: Request withdrawn. Batternut (talk) 06:27, 23 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Zhuz → Juz – "Juz" is a more common name that describes the article. Askar Sheikh-Ali (talk) 19:02, 3 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose target is a dab page and no evidence given. In ictu oculi (talk) 20:53, 3 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Spelling[edit]

Should it be spelled juz rather than zhuz? The Kazakh government's new Latin alphabet uses J in the place of the Cyrillic Ж. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazakh_alphabets For English speakers, using j is simpler, easier to pronounce, and possibly more accurate.