Talk:Zoe Quinn

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FYCs

Having read far more than I would like about the whole imbroglio it seems surprising that this article does not cover the dispute with and allegations by the FYCs.All the best: Rich Farmbrough11:59, 18 October 2014 (UTC).

Games

It would be good to include some of the video games Quinn has developed. All the best: Rich Farmbrough01:10, 12 November 2014 (UTC).

It think that is should also be clarified that Zoe Quinn is only credited with QA roles for Fez and They Bleed Pixels, because "worked on" can be a misleading term for a game tester role. links to pages that credit Zoe Quinn wtih "QA" roles: http://steamcommunity.com/app/224760/discussions/0/864978835496834110/ http://www.giantbomb.com/they-bleed-pixels/3030-35887/credits/.

Gamergate

We now have a pretty extensive article on Gamergate. I've added a "main" template and trimmed back the Gamergate section. It could probably benefit from even heavier trimming. --TS 03:19, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Obviously, I'm not going to be able to do much about this pretty soon, but this is literally the most noteworthy thing that has happened involving Zoe Quinn and two paragraphs seems like the minimum amount necessary. Not to mention that if you are going to mention GamerGate and harassment then you should definitely give people some inkling in this article what it is about. The current highly sanitized version of this is bad enough, but making it to where it is basically saying "Some naughty people were really mean to Zoe. You should feel really sorry for her. It is so hard to be a woman," is just making a mockery of Wikipedia.--The Devil's Advocate tlk. cntrb. 08:38, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
The extensive Gamergate controversy article goes into detail about the series of false and sometimes maliciously false accusations that formed the basis for the character assassination and other attacks against Quinn and others. The detail you've added is redundant and, for a biography, rather too much. To be sure, it's a major event, but Quinn was just part of it and not an instigator at that. The malicious attacks are on Gamergate, not those targeted. That's why I've now removed that large addition. --TS 16:41, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
It's a summary of Gamergate controversy, of course it's redundant. You've trimmed away so much detail, however, that it barely says anything and certainly doesn't provide an accurate summary. If you're worried about repeating attacks against Quinn here (perfectly reasonable), it shouldn't be too difficult to remove that information without gutting the rest of the paragraph. Such as by replacing the second sentence of the longer version with something like: Shortly after the game was released in August 2014, Eron Gjoni, Quinn's ex-boyfriend, published a blog post attacking Quinn. lifebaka++ 17:42, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
To reiterate, my main concern here is that the sheer volume of detail is inappropriate for such a slight biography. There's a point at which a biography becomes a kind of coat rack, and this sheer volume of words seems to be in effect an attempt to fork part of the Gamergate controversy article here. --TS 18:08, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Just a bit of feedback, I think this line is pretty biased and unsubstantiated: "Gamergate was the culmination of these events and resulted in widespread recognition of misogyny in gaming." There was no real mainstream adoption of misogyny in gaming, but rather the argument was put forward. There is plenty of back and forth on the issue on the Gamergate article itself so taking sides in this article seems pretty irresponsible.169.231.11.156 (talk) 07:10, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

It's what the sources say. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 17:20, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

The main picture of Ms. Quinn

I think the main picture for this article is ridiculous, and thus quite unencyclopedic (certainly Wikipedia is only "real encyclopedia" that would regard such a picture to be an appropriate representation of a biographical article's subject). I expressed this thought earlier today, and my comments were reverted, and I was warned on my personal Talk page that I might face "sanctions," for, um, saying stuff some people don't like, I guess. Well, I stand by my remarks. The photo is a disgrace, and it makes Wikipedia look stupid, and unprofessional. The photo is something I would expect to see in People, rather than an encyclopedia. That is my sincere (and quite reasonable) opinion, irrespective of my feelings about Ms. Quinn, "GamerGate," Feminism, and the like. Surely I will not be reverted (or sanctioned!) for saying so? I have an idea - instead of trying to intimidate me, why don't we consider what I've actually said, and perhaps use a serious photograph, one that doesn't look like it was selected by Ms. Quinn's 9-year-old niece, and more to the point, one that doesn't make Wikipedia look like an inane laughingstock? KevinOKeeffe (talk) 07:02, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

The talk-page warning is a standard one that everybody gets, but let's just say this is a touchy subject, and your undiplomatic wording isn't helping. But, since we're discussing this, (1) where do you intend to find an appropriately-licensed picture that you think is an improvement (there are four images of the subject on commons but they're not very different thematically from each other), and (2) why should your opinion about the proper decorum with which a professional gaming woman should be presented carry more weight than the subject's own opinion (as expressed via her choice of these photos to make available) about how she wants to present herself? —David Eppstein (talk) 07:33, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
Perhaps KevinOKeeffe is under the completely mistaken impression that a Wikipedia editor can go to Google Images, enter a search term like Zoe Quinn, and select the most aesthetic image for our article. This is false. We can only use properly freely licensed images here. 99.9% of internet images do not comply. So, KevinOKeeffe, instead of shooting your mouth off in such an aggressive fashion, why don't you propose a specific properly licensed alternative image for the article? Either that, or remain silent. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 07:55, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

What, precisely, is the objection to this image? Why is it ridiculous or disgraceful? I observe that not every biography requires a picture. For example, Ellen Pao, who leads Reddit, has none. What would you consider a more suitable image? MarkBernstein (talk) 16:54, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

I recommend contacting Quinn and asking her to provide an image. There are ways to "donate" images EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 17:08, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

That's how we got two of images we have now isn't it? — Strongjam (talk) 17:12, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
Which is why I ask, again, if this is the image Quinn already chose for herself, what right do we have to tell her that her self-image is wrong and she should change it? —David Eppstein (talk) 17:29, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
We are in complete agreement. I see no problem with this image, especially if the subject prefers it. — Strongjam (talk) 17:30, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Gamergate Harassment sub-section under Career

Why is the Gamergate harassment section listed under "Career"? I previously moved it to be under "Personal life" since it seemed more appropriate, but it looks like I was reverted. Is there a good reason it should be under career? — Strongjam (talk) 00:15, 21 February 2015 (UTC)