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The following discussion is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Mentoz86 (talk) 12:40, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Z Densetsu: Owarinaki Kakumei[edit]

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Momoiro Clover Z performs in the "Z Densetsu: Owarinaki Kakumei" superhero costumes

Created/expanded by Moscowconnection (talk). Self nom at 20:13, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

  • Note: as your seventh nomination, this will require a QPQ (quid pro quo) review. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:50, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
    The rules say "5 DYK credits", so I thought that it was credits at the time of the nomination that counted. I will make a quid pro quo review for this one. --Moscow Connection (talk)
  • Basically, what it means is that you get five articles "free" before you have to do a QPQ. (You're welcome, of course, to start sooner. :-) ) Since you made seven nominations in a period of a few days, I picked the last two chronologically. I have no idea what order they'll be approved and promoted, so this seemed the most reasonable approach under the circumstances. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:14, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
 Done Reviewed an article. --Moscow Connection (talk) 01:43, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
New enough, long enough. I can't do anything with Japanese, whether to see whether the content be in the sources or to see whether the sources be reliable, so I'll have to AGF here. However, I can't find anything in the article regarding parodies or superheroes. Please add this material, clarify something that's already there, or propose a new hook. Nyttend (talk) 01:50, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
The source says "sentai style", referring to superhero team movies, mainly to the Super Sentai series. See also sentai#Super Sentai and note the similarities of the girls' costumes in the music video with the ones in one of the Super Sentai series, Kyōryū Sentai Zyuranger (remade into Power Rangers for the US). Since the word "sentai" can also be used to describe other superhero team movies, such as the Kamen Rider, Ultraman, Metal Hero series, my first version of the hook said "in the style of Japanese superhero team movies", but then I thought that superheros usually come in teams and the word "team" was not needed. Then, the hook was changed to say "parodies" by another user. I decided not to change it back since the hook was changed by a Japanese editor who probably knew best and since it was obvious that the music video was not a superhero movie, hence the word "parody". --Moscow Connection (talk) 21:47, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
  • Rather than modifying the hook, why don't you just insert a one-sentence or two-sentence statement explaining quickly that sentai is a kind of superhero genre? Besides helping DYK, it will make the article slightly more accessible to casual readers. Nyttend (talk) 04:55, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
    I rewrote the section, adding some info about the sentai genre. --Moscow Connection (talk) 04:20, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
  • Thank you. However, you need to resolve the parody issue, since "wearing costumes in the style of sentai heros" doesn't necessarily make it a parody. Nyttend (talk) 13:48, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
    I am thinking how to rephrase the hook. --Moscow Connection (talk) 05:01, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
  • What's a transformation belt? It's definitely in the article, but we shouldn't use unfamiliar terms in hooks when we don't explain in the article (either with a link or with in-article text) what the term means. As soon as this is resolved, either of the hooks can be used; I'd prefer ALT4 because of the superhero nature (it seems hookier), but it's up to you to pick. Nyttend (talk) 20:51, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
  • Issues not addressed in 2 weeks. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:59, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
Please wait. I will just write something. I wanted to write something meaningful and reliably sourced about transformation items and asked here (towards the end of the discussion), but the user (who I thought was knowledgeable about the subject) didn't understand me. --Moscow Connection (talk) 15:41, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
Give me ah hour. I will search on Google again and come up with something. I don't know much about the matter, that's why I wanted someone else to suggest a couple of sentences about transformation belts. I didn't know about the 2 weeks deadline. --Moscow Connection (talk) 15:45, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
I've added a sentence. --Moscow Connection (talk) 15:57, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
But it's uncited. Please add something with a reliable source that discusses what transformation belts are. Nyttend (talk) 16:08, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
Okay, I'll try. Give me a few hours. I will look through 100 pages of the search results for "transformation belt". --Moscow Connection (talk) 16:15, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
I asked for help here: Portal talk:Japan#Transformation belt. The articles 変身ベルト and 変身 (ヒーロー) in the Japanese Wikipedia don't have a definition. The latter says that there are different types of transformations. Sometimes the hero's body changes (into a machine, for example), sometimes he gains some new abilities. --Moscow Connection (talk) 16:57, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
Could you explain whet exactly is needed? "Transformations belts are trinkets that transform heros into machines or give them superpowers.". Is something like this enough? --Moscow Connection (talk) 16:57, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
Provide a citation for that and we'll be ready to go. Or perhaps you could say "...use special belts to transform into helmeted..." and redo the hook, if it's that simple. Using "transformation belts" makes it sound as if they're a unique kind of belt, a specific and important item that everyone needs to know about when reading this kind of article. Nyttend (talk) 17:29, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
To get my head straight on the purpose of transformation belts, I'm just writing a subsection about it: Z Densetsu: Owarinaki Kakumei#Transformation. I will probably split it into a separate article when the DYK is over. --Moscow Connection (talk) 17:45, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
Do that and there won't be any outstanding issues. I'm sorry that this has gone on so long; it's simply that I feared having a lot of readers who were as confused as I was. No citations on the "The protagonists of the superhero genre..." is not a problem, since you'll be citing the same thing in the section on transformation belts. Nyttend (talk) 17:58, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
Look at the article now. I hope it's not too tangled. I've added a small section about transformation belts. It's my fault that it took so much time. It's that I tried several times and couldn't find any sources that define what transformation belts were. In the end, I just thought someone else (Anosola) would write it. --Moscow Connection (talk) 20:48, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
No more outstanding issues; people who read the article won't be confused by the hook. Thank you for all the work! Nyttend (talk) 04:32, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
Thank you very much! I've looked at your edits, this one is correct. I misunderstood the source. This is the part of the chapter I used. It's just that a mecha is a machine, so I misunderstood. --Moscow Connection (talk) 04:42, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
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