Template talk:Great Recession

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Organizing template[edit]

Kudos to User:03md for creating such a useful template. I'll be organizing it a bit and trying to find all the related articles to organize here. Most likely I'll create out of the "companies" and "events" several headings for companies that merged, failed, and got federal bailouts in the US. We may want to create sections by country or region as well. Depending on whether, and how, the crisis spreads internationally we might want to call it a generalized economic crisis (as per the template name) or a "financial" or "credit" crisis. It's a bit too early to know where this is going. Also, we should work on appropriate categories. Thanks, Wikidemon (talk) 19:42, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

redo label[edit]

The label that appears on this template now needs to be changed since it is not over yet. I suggest 'Late 2000s global financial crises' or 'Late 2000s financial crises', replacing 'Financial crises of 2007-2008' to match the 'Late 2000s recession' article. Comments? Hmains (talk) 22:39, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

If we do this, the name can change again and again. Second, the name is invisible unless someone edits. I would rather wait until the crisis is over to change the name, in case this mess keeps getting renamed over and over again, or becomes known as Great Depression II if it gets that bad. In that case, I do not think that the name would be changed again. Jesse Viviano (talk) 21:27, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
What? The wiki-markup text currently includes this:

{{navbox

| name = 2008 economic crisis

| title = [[Financial crisis (2007–present)|2008 economic crisis]]

| state = collapsed

[...]

which, IMHO, illustrates the mismatch between the name "displayed" at the top of the template ("2008 economic crisis"), and the name of the article that the hyper-link (in the "title" field) links to [which is currently "Financial crisis (2007–present)"]. (..,and by the way, that name -- the one "displayed" at the top of the template -- is visible, even when someone is just reading, NOT editing!)
Of course, that article name might eventually be changed, e.g. by replacing "(2007–present)" with "(2007–2014)" or something like that; but if and when that happens, I think it would be reasonable to change the name of this template, then. I do not expect such name changes to be so "frequent" that they cause any more of a problem for this template, than they cause for the article itself.
Hence, I vote for changing the (displayed) name of the template, to match the name of the article that the hyper-link links to. --Mike Schwartz (talk) 09:21, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Why I restored Madoff's firm[edit]

Madoff's Ponzi scheme was done in when clients started demanding redemptions due to the weak economy. Since Madoff could not swindle enough new investors in, the Ponzi scheme failed. If you wanted a company whose failure was coincidental to the crisis, try Circuit City. Mismanagement sent Circuit City to Chapter 11 because it laid off its highly paid and experienced employees to replace them with low-paid newbies in order to save costs. This deteriorated customer service and disgusted customer, causing them to go to competitors like Best Buy. Jesse Viviano (talk) 02:11, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation! Rubisco (talk) 12:50, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
I've restored Madoff to the template and removed Circuit City, based on the above reasoning. Ericoides (talk) 15:43, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
I realized that my reasoning is flawed. A Ponzi scheme by definition is mismanaged. The economy just landed the deathblow to Madoff, just like it did to Circuit City. The mismanagements of both made them weak to recessions that large legitimate companies normally should have been able to shrug off. I will restore Circuit City. Jesse Viviano (talk) 17:53, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Effects upon museums[edit]

While it is certain that museums have been negatively affected it does not come close to the impact of any of the other specific issues. I have doubts that this should be included as such a page could be written for almost any institution profit or non-profit currently operating. 209.30.228.224 (talk) 07:06, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Proposed new section in the template[edit]

Do you think that we need to add in a section for frauds that keep getting discovered and are piling up due to the crisis? I can think of these alleged frauds: R. Allen Stanford, Bernard Madoff, Satyam Computer Services, and others. Jesse Viviano (talk) 15:36, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Good idea - made a proposal for: Fraud
   Libor scandal
   Bernard Madoff
   Allen Stanford

. Wakari07 (talk) 18:47, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Size[edit]

I've not had anything to do with this template before, so I sha'n't be bold and make the edit myself, but this template is huge! Can I suggest each of the sections be collapsed by default, perhaps? Maybe make it so that the "current" section (the one related to the current article, I mean) be expanded. This template takes up an entire screen-height on my PC, which strikes me as a little excessive :o) — OwenBlacker (Talk) 19:40, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree with you. Could this be done by creating sub-templates out of the existing sections, and "bringing them together" in this template? --FF3000 · talk 14:28, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Please review this as a posible new look for this template: User:Footyfanatic3000/2007-2009 economic crisis. Feel free to edit the the page if needs be. --FF3000 · talk 15:46, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Looks fine, but contents of headers of hidden sections are stacked, taking up multiple lines for a single header. --CliffC (talk) 23:53, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
I know. Is there any way to fix this problem? FF3000 · talk 17:59, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
Seems to be caused by the HTML <br /> (line break) elements in the headers; replacing each with a single space should do the trick. Best, CliffC (talk) 20:13, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
Never mind, I've had a closer look and there's more to it than that. Sorry I can't help. --CliffC (talk) 21:29, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Requested move: This is much bigger than 2008[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page moved. Miniapolis 19:07, 8 May 2013 (UTC)



Template:2008 economic crisisTemplate:Great Recession – "2008" isn't accurate here at all. It contains lots of events from before that date and lots of events that have happened since. It is also clear now that the crisis went beyond the year 2008. This would not have been clear when the template was created. Template:Great Recession currently only redirects to the little sidebar. It would make more sense to use it here as a navigational box since this covers the events laid out in Great Recession and Category:Great Recession in more detail. 86.40.107.200 (talk) 08:27, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

  • Support Your reasoning is sound. However, the proposed title currently redirects to {{Great Recession sidebar}}. Current instances, of which there are fortunately few, will need to be fixed along with this move to avoid confusion. --BDD (talk) 01:26, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
  • Support. I thought these collectively had wholesale support, to follow the parent article. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 11:58, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.