Template talk:Ancient Greek religion

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Would it be possible to create an alternative version of this, to appear at the bottom of articles. I don't find that the template in this form, very text-heavy and somewhat dull, improves the visual attractiveness of articles. For example, on Greek temple, it has definitely replaced a more appealing design, and also forced a re-introduction of the long contents table with no text beside.

An example would be this:

athinaios | Talk 04:06, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

many problems[edit]

I find this template bizarre. Just to take the first heading, "Doctrines"--the notion that Greek religion had doctrines would be surprising to many people who study it; Greek religion(s) was not about belief, but action. To see orthopraxy, reciprocity, and virtue placed in the same category also seems strange--these concepts seem to belong to different classes of things. Hubris, while an important subject, is not a doctrine--it's an action or a mental disposition.

I don't have a good suggestion for fixing the template. I don't think there are articles corresponding to the topics I would include in the template--e.g. prayer, oracles, festivals (each article would need to be specific to Greece and so would probably follow the "X in ancient Greece" format). But as the template stands it's misleading about the nature of Greek religion and the relative importance of topics within it. --Akhilleus (talk) 03:24, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

I think you are correct. Maybe "Doctrines" could be "Aspects". I agree about orthopraxy, reciprocity, and virtue needing its own category. I'm not sure what would be the best for that either. Maybe "Concepts"? --151.201.149.209 (talk) 00:36, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Symbol?[edit]

I associate the caduceus with medicine, not ancient Greek mythology. A better logo could be used. chad. (talk) 00:39, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Dionysus[edit]

This template states that Dionysus is a "Lesser god" and that he is not an Olympian. This is not true for it was he who Hestia gave up her throne on Mount Olympus for. If you agree and see fit, please correct this mistake.

Arguably, both Dionysus and Hades should be listed as Olympians along with the other twelve. While the Olympians are traditionally twelve in number, there are many variations in the myths and no one "right" version. As the above commenter noted, there are tellings in which Hestia gave up her seat in favour of Dionysus. Likewise, some tellings name Hades as an Olympian. All fourteen are listed in Twelve Olympians, and Template:Greek religion lists thirteen. Personally I'm in favour of listing the full fourteen, but I think at least Dionysus deserves his place. Whatever the case, we ought to have some uniformity. --Shoemoney2night (talk) 05:40, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Possible related to the above, there are now 15 gods listed under the Twelve Olympians section. I think Heracles is the erroneous addition (he's in the table twice), and I suggest both removing him from the Olympians section, and dropping the "Twelve" so it's just "Olympians".--82.35.251.109 (talk) 09:27, 13 October 2013 (UTC)