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Proposal to include {{oldafdfull}} boilerplate text[edit]

When closing AfDs that do not end in deletion, administrators are supposed to add the {{oldafdfull}} template to the talk page. To facilitate this task, I propose to add the following line to this template before the "End of AfD message" comment:

 <!-- For administrator use only: {{oldafdfull|page={{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>#ifeq:{{{1|a}}}|{{{1|b}}}|{{{1}}}|{{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>PAGENAME}}}}|date={{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>CURRENTYEAR}} {{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>CURRENTMONTHNAMEGEN}} {{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>CURRENTDAY}}|result='''keep'''}} -->

If my very limited knowledge of MediaWiki syntax is correct, this should produce something like:

  <!-- Please do not remove or change this AfD message until the issue is settled -->
 {{AfDM|page=Bad Article|date=2007 November 11|substed=yes}}
 <!-- For administrator use only: {{oldafdfull|page=Bad Article|date=2007 November 11|result='''keep'''}} -->
 <!-- End of AfD message, feel free to edit beyond this point -->

When closing the AfD as "keep", the administrator would edit the article page, cut the already filled-out {{oldafdfull}} text, delete the rest of the AfD message and paste the {{oldafdfull}} text to the talk page. Only the "result" parameter would need to be edited as appropriate. What do you think? Sandstein (talk) 17:37, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

There is now a testing implementation at Template:Afd/sandbox and an example of the template's output at User:Sandstein/Temp03. Sandstein (talk) 06:32, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
In the absence of opposition, I have now implemented this feature. Sandstein (talk) 06:30, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

I have (hopefully) improved this nice addition by changing the date to a linked date, making it compatible with the different date formats and the preferences of users. If this is done in error or otherwise gives problems, please revert me and slap me with a trout. Fram (talk) 10:48, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Edit request[edit]

{{editprotected}} There is an extra pair of right braces, as can be seen with my pasting of the oldafdfull template here: [1]. I have highlighted in red what I believe to be the extra braces in the text of the template below. Please remove them:

<!-- Please do not remove or change this AfD message until the issue is settled --> {{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>#ifeq:{{{1|a}}}|{{{1|b}}}||{{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>#ifexist:Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/{{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>PAGENAME}}|<!-- The nomination page for this article already existed when this tag was added. If this was because the article had been nominated for deletion before, and you wish to renominate it, please replace "page={{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>PAGENAME}}" with "page={{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>PAGENAME}} (2nd nomination)" below before proceeding with the nomination. -->}}}}{{AfDM|page={{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>#ifeq:{{{1|a}}}|{{{1|b}}}|{{{1}}}|{{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>PAGENAME}}}}|date={{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>CURRENTYEAR}} {{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>CURRENTMONTHNAMEGEN}} {{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>CURRENTDAY}}|substed=yes{{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>ns:0}}}} <!-- For administrator use only: {{oldafdfull|page={{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>#ifeq:{{{1|a}}}|{{{1|b}}}|{{{1}}}|{{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>PAGENAME}}}}|date=[[{{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>CURRENTYEAR}}-{{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>CURRENTMONTH}}-{{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>CURRENTDAY}}]]}} |result='''keep'''}} --> <!-- End of AfD message, feel free to edit beyond this point --> <noinclude> {{template doc}}<!-- Add categories, documentation, and interwiki links to the /doc subpage, not here! --> </noinclude> The Evil Spartan (talk) 01:51, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

  • I think this was fixed yesterday in this edit by Yamamoto Ichiro. I came here to report the same thing and found your posting, went to go fix it myself, couldn't find it in the template code, and then saw it in the history. Since it's subst:ed it will remain in old AfDs. --MCB (talk) 07:28, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
Seems fixed. Re-enable editprotected if needed. Cheers. --MZMcBride (talk) 21:12, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
Twas my error. I have reintroduced my change to the date, minus the erroneous curly brackets (the ones highlighted were indeed the incorrect ones). It should be better now. Fram (talk) 15:02, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Extra line break[edit]

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Could someone delete the line break between the end of the template and the noinclude tag? This causes a break in the transcluded template which leave a gap between it and any other templates on an article. Templates should be flush with each other. Chris Cunningham (talk) 11:18, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Done. Thanks for pointing it out. – Luna Santin (talk) 12:15, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Oldafdfull feature broken[edit]

Resolved: Fixed with an ugly hack (see Template:Lessthan).

I have removed the code for pregeneration of Oldafdfull templates because the migration to the new preprocessor seems to have broken this feature. See my post about this on Meta. Does someone who understands code better than I do have a solution? Sandstein (talk) 12:43, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

This is a horrible mess. I've been closing AFd's today, and I actually have to type all the oldafdfull's in everytime. That's worse than all those sodding extra close braces from the fram thing last week. Can't this just be reverted to some version that worked? JERRY talk contribs 03:43, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
I would imagine not, because the template has been substed onto the AfD page. Due to the code change of the preprocessor, there is no version that works that I am aware of. Sandstein (talk) 06:34, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

The new preprocessor doesn't allow code inside html comments to be evaluated, Tim (the big boss) said it's non-negotiable. AzaToth 08:26, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

OK. Any objections to me integrating the pregenerated oldafdfull code as a small-text notice directly into Template:AfDM, then? Sandstein (talk) 11:57, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
That would be the way... you could make the text the same color as the background of the template if you wanted to be really fancy about it. JERRY talk contribs 12:09, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
I've been bold and done it. Without hiding the text, though, or many admins may never even know of the existence of this feature. We could do that later if confused users try to use the oldafdfull code themselves. Sandstein (talk) 12:45, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
Fixed with an ugly template hack: replacing <!-- with {{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>lessthan}}!-- allows the contents of the comment to be evaluated when the template is substed. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 14:05, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
Thanks! It turns out my attempt at generating the code in {{AfDM}} was unsuccessful, but having the code in the comments is more elegant anyway. Sandstein (talk) 14:45, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Wording or link incorrect[edit]

This template says
"Please share your thoughts on the matter at this article's entry on the Articles for deletion page."
There will not be anything about it on that link. The wording either could say find the Afd on one of the days Afd list for that page or remove the link all together. SunCreator (talk) 01:17, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps the template is not working right in your browser. In the rendered template, "this article's entry" is a wikilink to the actual AfD discussion for the article. Are you not seeing that in your browser? --MCB (talk) 01:35, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
I see that clearly and it works. But I'm saying the wording on the Articles for deletion page is not saying what it's linking to. Go to a page under Afd, Kinchan no Kasoh Taisho will do, now using that link 'Articles for deletion' navigate your way to the 'Kinchan no Kasoh Taisho' article Afd discussion. I think you will find it almost impossible. It seems that the template is using old wording as it seem in the past all Afd's where on one page, that is no longer the case, as there is a page for each day, so would be nice to review or remove such outdated link/wording. SunCreator (talk) 15:40, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
Ah, OK, I see what you mean. I think we could fix that by having "considered for deletion" in the first sentence link to WP:AFD; leave "deletion policy" linked to WP:DP, and change the wording of the second sentence from "this article's entry on the Articles for deletion page" to "this article's discussion page" which would link to the actual article's AfD. That way there would be links to AFD, DP, and the actual article's AfD, all in the template. Here's a first attempt: User:MCB/proposedafdm. --MCB (talk) 17:59, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
I like your proposal, but I'm not sure it's necessary to link directly to WP:AFD at all. It's likely to mislead new users, and of course, AFD is already linked from deletion policy. Superm401 - Talk 13:22, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
"This article's discussion page" sounds like it means the article talk page, and if I saw such wording in a link that where I'd expect it would lead. Perhaps "nomination page" or "deletion discussion" might be more appropriate — neither sounds quite ideal to my ear, but at least they're less liable to cause confusion. (BTW, the current wording has quite a long history; it's not surprising that there may have been a few procedural changes since it was introduced.) —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 17:51, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
"This article's deletion discussion" sounds good to me. --MCB (talk) 19:16, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Template mangled[edit]

Why is the template coding all screwed up right now. The bottom half isn't showing up, and I'm getting {{#ifeq:yes|yes| at the top. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters(Broken clamshellsOtter chirps) 18:29, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

For admin use only[edit]

I've seen this statement and ignored it for the last two years. Given the increasing number of non admin closures, shouldn't this be removed? Surely we don't need admin approval to remove the template, of add the oldafd template to the talk page, so why is it still there? Any thoughts? — MaggotSyn 11:51, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

The comment exists to prevent inexperienced users from using the oldafd template before the AfD is closed. Of course, it may be used by any editor closing the AfD. Usually, these are admins.  Sandstein  13:51, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
Fair enough. Like I said, it had been bothering me for two years and I finally decided to hunt down which template talk to post to. I was surprised to get a response for how much low traffic there is here. I'd only suggest it be changed to something which at least acknowledges seasoned editors who happen to be in good standing are also able to do the same (but in smaller words no doubt). Regardless, whatever is fine by me. — MaggotSyn 10:53, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Interwiki[edit]

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es:Plantilla:Aviso borrar is obsolete in Spanish Wikipedia. Change by es:Plantilla:CdbM--Mercenario97 (talk) 22:31, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done You can make this change yourself. Template interwikis are held on the template doc page, not on the template itself, for precisely this reason. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 23:52, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

please add hy:Կաղապար:Ջնջում —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vacio (talkcontribs) 07:59, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 13:29, 23 July 2008 (UTC)


How Can This Be Used Outside Wikipedia?[edit]

How can I use this template outside Wikipedia, in another MediaWiki environment? Copying only this text is not enough - but it is not clear to me what other templates / images I need to copy. --Robinson weijman (talk) 14:17, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Please add a new category or rename the old one?[edit]

{{PAGESINCAT:Articles for deletion}} lists 775 which is completly and widely inaccurate.

MER-C stated that the underlying problem has been fixed for some time now (category count not being decremented on deletion) but the actual counts will not update unless the category is renamed... [2]

Request:

  1. Can an admin please add a new category to this template? Category:AfDc The "c" standing for count?
  2. Or can an admin rename the category, Category:Articles for deletion, to maybe Category:Article for deletion or any other name which will fix this problem?

Ikip (talk) 12:44, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Nevermind, there is a better solution:
Ikip, for your purpose you can probably use the Category:AfD debates category, which lists all open AfD debates. --Amalthea 13:13, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. Ikip (talk) 22:23, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Could we have the author warning template back?[edit]

Speedy and PROD templates both show an author notification template and a reminder to copy it to the author's talk page. The AfD template used to have one, but it has disappeared. Could we have it back? It's easy enough to type {{subst:adw|<pagename>}}, but having it there acts as a useful reminder. JohnCD (talk) 18:08, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

  • The author warning reminder is not a part of this template. It is a part of Template:AfDM, and has not been removed and is still there. So this is based upon a false premise. Uncle G (talk) 11:48, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

'For administrator use only'[edit]

{{editprotected}} Can't non-admins close deletion discussions, thus making this line inaccurate? Computerjoe's talk 22:05, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

I believe that the last discussion on this concluded that non-admins shouldn't be closing deletion discussions, although it still happens occasionally. Given this, I'm going to decline this pending consensus. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:39, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Usability broken[edit]

This template used to show the "steps to deletion" until after step 3 was followed. Now, it removes the instructions after step 2 has been completed, which makes it difficult to complete step 3. Can the old, more usable behaviour be restored? Was this downgrade intentional? -- Mikeblas (talk) 15:40, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

{{{help}}}[edit]

Altenmann, would you mind stating your reasons to revert an uncontroversial change like this? The actual modification of the template visible on article pages happened December 2008, see Template talk:AfDM#Hide instructions. Why do you think that passing the new parameter though this helper template is not fully non-controversial and needs discussion, if the actual change is established since half a year?
Amalthea 22:49, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree that this is hardly an emergency revert, or a controversial addition. (also)Happymelon 09:14, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
Obviously you didn't see the result of the change: the stepwise help disappeared, i.e., "hide instructions" became default. This behavior is ...er... unhelpful. And I don't understand about which "half of the year" you are talking: half a year ago last edit the help was still seen. - Altenmann >t 03:53, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
That's incorrect. If you have a look at Template:Afd/testcases for example, you can see that the step-by-step help only disappears in two cases:
  1. The parameter |help=off is passed to {{AfDM}}
  2. The AfD subpage already exists
You'll note that if you have a look at {{Afd}} at this moment, after your revert, you still don't see the instructions, simply because WP:Articles for deletion/Afd exists.
Those are both pretty longstanding features features of {{AfDM}} though, and my edit didn't change them. Could you detail in what circumstances you were looking for the step-by-step instructions, and didn't get them?
Amalthea 10:51, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

I cannot reproduce the problem anymore. Your version restored. Possibly it was caused by interference with other transcluded templates. But it did happen to me: I didn't revert your edit solely because I didn't like it: I did observe the problem, which disappeared after my revert. Sorry for hassle. - Altenmann >t 15:17, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

No worries. Your initial message at my talk page and the edit summary of the revert didn't mention any problems, which left me rather confused. If you can reproduce the problem though please get back.
Cheers, Amalthea 20:59, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Link to wrong log pages?[edit]

Currently this template lists a set of instructions (generated by {{AfDM}}} when the discussion page does not exist. In step 3 it says to add to the top of the daily WP:AfD log page list. However the list link goes to the log page of the day the template was added to the article (see the testcases page where it links to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2009 August 3) and not todays log. I cannot think of any reason to add AfD debates to an old log page, as even if the template is added but the debate not listed it would still normally require 7 days of discussion. This was brought to my attention when I listed an AfD for an IP editor on an old log page due to following the template instructions. I have now fixed my own editing abilities, but I feel this could probably be easily fixed so others don't make the same mistake I did. regards, ascidian | talk-to-me 12:45, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Have all XfD be substituted and link to the actual page of discussion[edit]

Please participate in the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Deletion discussions#Have all XfD be substituted and link to the actual page of discussion. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 07:10, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Expandable?[edit]

As of right now, the template only displays detailed listing instructions before the discussion page is created. After the discussion page is created, those instructions are gone. Is there any way to set up the template so that those instructions are still available (in a collapsed box perhaps)? The fact that instructions for posting the discussion in the daily log disappear from the {{Afd}} template before that step is generally attempted seems to be particularly unhelpful for new users who are unfamiliar with the deletion process. IronGargoyle (talk) 15:25, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Rename template[edit]

Would there be any support for a rename of this template to something like Template:Article for deletion. Of course the redirect {{subst:afd}} would still work. The advantage is that when substituted it will look like

{{Article for deletion| etc.}}

rather than

{{AfDM| etc.}}

In other words it will be much clearer from the wikicode what the template is for as AfDM means very little to anyone. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:51, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Wouldn't it make sense to rename {{AfDM}} in that case, rather than this template? --ais523 13:10, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
I suggest we follow the method used by Template:Proposed deletion and Template:Proposed deletion/dated where the substituted template is a subtemplate. So {{AfDM}} could be moved to something like Template:Article for deletion/dated. This helps to ensure that discussion is centralised in one place. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 16:37, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
I have now moved the template and will shortly be doing some tidying and updating. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 16:18, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

User:Uncle G has expressed concern over the move of these templates. I will write my full rationale for moving them shortly, and invite other opinions as well. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 17:54, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Rationale for moving[edit]

It is long standing practice that templates are named clearly so that their purpose is clear when their names, whenever this is possible. To this end, countless templates have been renamed over recent years. I myself have moved many templates, including Template:NtsTemplate:Number table sorting, Template:TsxTemplate:Toronto Stock Exchange, Template:ReqaudioTemplate:Audio requested, etc. Clear names make wikicode easier to understand and helps less experienced users to see what code produces what output on an article.

This does not mean that the old shorter names cannot continue to be used as redirects, and indeed {{subst:afd}} and {{AfDM}} will still work fine.

Template:Afd and Template:AfDM are not clear. A new editor would not necessarily know what these acronyms mean. (Even I do not know what the M in AfDM stands for!) Therefore I suggested Template:Article for deletion in the proposal above. I am open to other names, as long as they are clear and use English words rather than acronyms.

A couple of editors have suggested that, since Template:Afd substitutes Template:AfDM it is only necessary to move the latter. Since the latter is the code that appears on an article it is certainly more important to move this one. But I would still argue that moving both templates to clearer names is the best solution.

The method of grouping related templates by means of subtemplates is a common one and has several benefits. The fact that the templates are related is clear when their name. A shared documentation is more practical to achieve. Discussion of the templates can occur in one place (the talk page of the main template) rather than split across several - less-watched - template talk pages. (To this end I will shortly be proposing to merge Template talk:Article for deletion/dated with this one.

Finally one editor has suggested that the /dated suffix is meaningless because the template does not use a dating system like Template:Proposed deletion and Template:Proposed deletion/dated do. This may be true currently, but several editors suggested in a recent discussions (on Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard and Wikipedia talk:Deletion policy that the template should display the expiry time of the discussion as it might help to prevent them being closed too early. Anyway I am open to other suggestions if people have better ideas. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:39, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Error with Template:Afd1[edit]

  • WTF is going on? I rarely nominate articles for deletion, but when i do i expect the process to actually work.--Milowenttalkblp-r 18:50, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
    Sorry, it seems I forgot to update Template:Afd1 which redirected here. It should be fixed now? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:59, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Logic change[edit]

{{edit protected}} Hello, in the sandbox, I've created a version of this template that also works without substitution, so that it can be used for example usages. Please update the template with this code. Thanks, --The Evil IP address (talk) 18:34, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

So basically you have replaced all the <includeonly>subst:</includeonly> with {{{|safesubst:}}}? Or are there any other changes? I've no problem with that, but perhaps there is an easier way to use the template in examples. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:35, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

removal of instructions to notify from boilerplate[edit]

Since I last made an AfD request, the instruction on the boilerplate to notify the article's creator using the {{subst:AfD-notice|article name}} ~~~~ template seems to have disappeared. In my view, its absence discourages nominators (unless they nominate on a daily basis, and know the template name) from notifying the creator – I, for one, would feel a lot less inclined to notify if I have to rummage around for the right template each time I need to notify someone. --Ohconfucius ¡digame! 03:35, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Relationship of AfD tag to Rescue tag[edit]

I'm trying to ask several questions at once here. Please correct me if one of the following statements is inaccurate. 1. A nomination for deletion essentially kickstarts a discussion about the merit of content to stand on its own within its own article. 2. The content may be simply Kept, Improved, Merged, Split, Redirected, Incubated, Userfied, Converted (to list or similar) or moved to other Wikimedia projects. 3. In most cases, those who care about the article show up and defend it, but might not always be aware, but there are methods to notify interested users.

I've recently become aware of and interested in the Rescue tag, and after some research, have come to realize it is widely misused (about 50%) of the time. My question relates to the possible *mergence* of the functionality of the rescue tag directly into the AfD tag, in order to eliminate its misuse by editors. Once the rescue tag is added, it appears that most editors won't allow the misused tag to be removed, since the tag says "Please leave this tag in place until the (deletion) discussion has closed." So, in effect, editors are mistakenly thinking it is a properly applied tag when it was not.

To clarify: by misuse, I mean adding the tag without following its guidelines for use. To wit: "As part of this tag's use please comment at the deletion discussion on why this item should be rescued and how that could happen. Your input should constructively lead the way for other editors to understand how this item can be improved to meet Wikipedia's policies and benefit our readers."

I'd like to find a way to solve this issue, and I have discussed the issue of its misuse at length at Template Talk:Rescue. I am finding that several editors are less than willing to discuss alternatives, and seem rather entrenched in the status quo, despite repeated concerns over a nearly 4 year period. If the AfD tag could express the variety of options open to editors besides deletion, we might end up with a different sort of discussion at AfD's, but it would possibly remove the need for the Rescue tag entirely, and as such, eliminate a highly misused tag. -- Avanu (talk) 04:38, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

AfD template does not suffice[edit]

I have found myself increasingly annoyed by encounters with the generic AfD template. Although it is necessary to have a link to the deletion policies included in a tag posting notice that the article is being considered for deletion, "this article is being considered for deletion in accordance with Wikipedia's deletion policy" is not, by itself, all that helpful or sufficient. Rather than requiring all N interested parties to search through the deletion policies to refresh their memory, code number in hand, with regards to the putative reason for deletion, the burden should be upon the 1 nominator for deletion to provide a quick synopsis of why they feel an article should be deleted.

I have no problem with this being done with templates; I don't believe that the stated reason need be definitive or exact. It would suffice to be able to see a template such as {{subst: afdSkyInLondon.jpg|F8|similar}} that said "...for reasons similar to F8. Images available as identical copies on the Wikimedia Commons." (As opposed to {{subst: afd|Copy_ofSkyInLondon(3).jpg|F8}}, which would merely cite the reason.)

A generic nomination for deletion that forces one to look on a second page to find (if it's even there) the code word that one must then search for, by hand, in WP:DELETION — the speedy delete codes are now used with some regularity, even on non-speedy nominations — should not be the acceptable standard for affixing an unremovable tag to the top of any given article. It should, itself, be an immediate candidate for deletion. Even now, when the reasons for considering the deletion are not explained by the nominator, I do not find myself having much sympathy for his or her concern. I realize that the speedy delete categories are useful shorthand for committed Wikipedians, but they end up being obfuscatory to the rest of us.

  • I propose that this gap could be easily bridged, and the discussion policy made more inviting and inclusive, if the AfD tag was more informative, rather than just appealing to the authority of 'the deletion policies'. It is perfectly feasible to link to the relevant section of policy discussion, and perfectly feasible to have a copyable version of the template available on the page where that policy is being explicated.
  • I propose that the AfD tag should substitute nothing, and fail to create an entry on the AfD page, unless at least general guidance as to the sort of reason is indicated. This would have the additional benefit of allowing, were it desired, for the subdivision of the AfD page by category so as to facilitate the development of precedents and practices.
This comment is based on a mild rant that I lapses into, elsewhere; I figured, after that, that it was incumbent on me to repeat the useful elements in a more appropriate place. -- 0x69494411 14:11, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

(Added request for comment, requesting community input. Northamerica1000(talk) 02:39, 24 January 2012 (UTC))

  • Comment - I agree with the idea of improving the Article for deletion template, to:
  1. Increase the user-friendliness of the template with direct links to policies, guidelines and other information pages.
  2. Disambiguate what policies are being referred to in nominations for deletion, through the provision of stated links directly on the template.
  3. Increase the template's usefulness, similar to other templates that include links to informative pages.
Northamerica1000(talk) 03:01, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
  • What about requiring contributors to a new article to include a rationale as to how the article satisfies policies for inclusion? Johnuniq (talk) 04:03, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Proposal: Add the {{Find sources}} template parameter to the AfD template[edit]

Proposal: Clarify when the template may be removed[edit]

My first reaction to this removal of the AfD template was "Vandalism!". But then I read the warning about removal:

Please do not remove or change this AfD message until the issue is settled

Settled to whose satisfaction -- the person wanting to remove the template? This seems unnecessarily vague. How about something like:

Do not remove this AfD message until the AfD it points to has been closed.

I concede that this is not satisfactory. It doesn't mention alteration, and it doesn't allow for the legitimate removal of an AfD template attached (without AfD, no matter how silly) as a prank or in a tantrum. I don't claim to know what the best message would be, but the current one seems inadequate. -- Hoary (talk) 01:53, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

"This article's entry": red link[edit]

Resolved

Why do the words "this article's entry" often appear as a red link, even when the corresponding discussion exists and the link works? (e.g. from today's AfD log: Apogee Instruments, Inc.)

הסרפד (Hasirpad) [formerly Ratz...bo] 19:14, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Answered my own question: just purge.
הסרפד (Hasirpad) [formerly Ratz...bo] 17:09, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Article must not be blanked[edit]

Why exactly is this advice in the template? Articles must never be blanked, at that is a form of WP:Vandalism. Is this an actual concern, or just historical cruft? -- Kendrick7talk 04:46, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Well, OK, since there are no objections

Please remove the language that states "the article must not be blanked, and" from the template as redundant to our general policies that any given article should not be blanked (see above). Kendrick7talk 03:19, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Not done for now: I suspect that the reason no-one objected is because no-one noticed the discussion. Could you advertise it at WT:AFD and leave a few more days for people to respond? — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 09:12, 13 August 2013 (UTC)