Template talk:Asbox

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Use of <table>[edit]

This template uses <table>, which is bad for our readers using screen readers (info as to why). We should be using CSS positioning if we want to control where the icon appears.

I've created a test replacement at {{Asbox/no-table}}; here's a test of how a randomly selected stub template looks using it.



Comments? Please check for errors. — Scott talk 17:40, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

I have no problem with changing this around. We might want to consider putting a display: inline-block on it perhaps, to improve block flow. —TheDJ (talkcontribs) 19:06, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
OK, I made a few changes. This would require a bit of style patching, and in case of IE6/7, you would have to set the 'image' to float. It would then not be centered from the block of text to right of it, but that is the the sacrifice you need to make if you want to stop using table semantics in an ecospace that still contains many browsers that are not able to understand table styling.
I think for asbox that is acceptable, but it immediately shows why we probably still cannot do this for ambox. There is simply no way you can make ambox behave as it does now on IE6/7 without seriously changing the way the thing looks or switching to a 'fixed' width layout. —TheDJ (talkcontribs) 20:22, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Where are we with this? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:15, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

It would be good to move forward with this. TheDJ, are you okay with bringing in your changes? — Scott talk 20:32, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
@Scott: I'll look at this later today again. —TheDJ (talkcontribs) 08:29, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
Hmm, it's close, but the Navbar thing is really problematic. (whoever thought it was a good idea to make that a div instead of span deserves punishment.... —TheDJ (talkcontribs) 12:49, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
No I don't... It had to be a div because a span causes Tidy to throw a fit and bump out the embedded list. Blame Tidy instead. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 13:30, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
For some reason, on my screen the flag and the text statement are on separate lines. The text is also not italicized but that may be intentional. Harej (talk) 18:46, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
Not really. I've made some tweaks; should look pretty close to original now. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 20:25, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
I should have shared that. The CSS was in m User:TheDJ/common.cssTheDJ (talkcontribs) 21:37, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
Looks very good. Assuming it is compatible across browsers, I suggest implementing this. Harej (talk) 22:17, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Changing the text[edit]

It's been years since this template has been modified, and I believe it needs a refresh. For context, I am engaged in other discussions relating to stub sorting here and here. One of the ideas I brought up involves a complete overhaul of the stub template. I am not asking for that right now because it would require some other things to happen first. Today I am asking more conservatively for a change to the text of the template. Currently the text reads:

This article [about X] is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it.

I would like to change this to:

This article [about X] is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by expanding this article. Need help?

The most significant change would be the inclusion of a link to the Teahouse so that anyone who takes the initiative to edit the article will be able to get help in case they run into a problem, instead of just giving up. My hope is that it makes editing ever-so-slightly easier for newcomers. Please let me know what you think. Thanks, Harej (talk) 04:59, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

No problem with adding the link to teahouse if people think this would be helpful. But the repeated "this article" does not read well and the current use of pronoun "it" should probably be retained. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:48, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
I'll echo Martin's comments. However, I worry that potentially having several "Need help?"s in a row on multi-stub-tagged articles might look a bit odd (or imply different locations of getting help). Is there a template way of saying "if this element exists on the page already don't show it again"? — Scott talk 08:58, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
That's actually the subject of a related conversation. I'm fine with retaining the language of the template as is and just adding the Teahouse link. Harej (talk) 11:54, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
So I guess that should be resolved first, and then we can discuss this? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:53, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

CfD nomination of Template:Asbox[edit]


Template:Asbox has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. You are encouraged to join the discussion on the Categories for discussion page. Sardanaphalus (talk) 09:01, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Since this is a meta template and not a content-related stub template, I've sdeedily closed it. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 09:50, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Requested move 30 June 2014[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure) Calidum Talk To Me 02:36, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Template:AsboxTemplate:Article stub – It's a line rather than a box. Sardanaphalus (talk) 08:14, 30 June 2014 (UTC)


Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.
  • Oppose Since it lacks borders, it might not look like a box: but it's built using the HTML <table>...</table> element, which is a block-level object, so it's a box. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:05, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
    • So it depend on whether this category is for web browsers (which see the HTML) or human beings (who see the resulting text); since this category is for humans, not web browsers, I think that your point is irrelevant. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 07:40, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose it will end up being directly added to articles by people who think that "article stub" means {{stub}}. Suggest {{WP stub-type meta-template}} -- (talk) 05:19, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
    • ow about the simpler name {{meta stub}}, possibly with a dash in stead of the space? עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 07:37, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
      • I'd rather it not look like just another stub-type template. Someone could come around and think it should be attached to "meta" subjects. Considering the popcultural bias of Wikipedia, there are a lot of pop-"meta" with that. -- (talk) 21:13, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Support a rename, but not this one - I think that made a good point about this. I think that {{meta-stub}}, or something like that, would be better. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 19:38, 2 July 2014 (UTC)


Any additional comments:

I think that {{meta-stub}} would be better - this template is the meta template for the stub tags. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 11:45, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

+1 That's a good idea. — Scott talk 13:20, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
Support for something like that, but preferably in plain English without the hyphen (Template:Stub meta?) — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:45, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
Technically, it's in plain English already, while your suggestion isn't - "This template is a meta-stub", versus "This template is a stub meta". :) — Scott talk 09:52, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
"stub meta" sounds much better than "meta stub", as it won't as likely be confused for a stub-type template that should be used on an article, but still I'd prefer my suggestion that completely takes it out of the running for confusion with a template usable on an article. -- (talk) 22:48, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
  • It's a meta template, do we really care ? Are we going to rename ambox to "article message box" after this ? I don't really see the need. —TheDJ (talkcontribs) 15:36, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Reverted change[edit]

I've just reverted an change to this template. If it was discussed anywhere then I can't find it. This change seems fairly pointless: it appear to be solely to encourage editors to type {{mammal-stub}} instead of {{Mammal-stub}}. I can't see the benefit of this. On a more general note, I believe that all additions to this template should be discussed first. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:30, 16 July 2014 (UTC)