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br and trailing newline[edit]

can we kill the leading <br/> and the trailing newline? ptkfgs 02:40, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Washington "U"[edit]

I changed Washington U to Washington University because the above abreviation is not at all current. If it must be abreviated, at least change it to Wash. U. or WUSTL or something still in use. caz | speak 22:54, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

It's Washington U. use for the sports attire and memorabilia? - thank you Astuishin 02:58, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
It might be stilled used in marketing, the thing is, I have never heard it used in spoken use. Not once. The only time I've even read Washington U. before this was in The Glass Menagerie by Tennesse Williams. It seems that the use is pretty dated. caz | speak 05:39, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
I think you are confusing the precedent for inclusion of abbreviated name, As a person who knows graduates from University of Illinois, and University of Texas Austin I have never heard them refer to the school as Illinois, or Texas, they often instead say U of I or UT, however those abbreviations would confuse many viewers when looking at this box after all University of Iowa and University of Tennessee are often referred to by those nicknames, similarly many viewers are unaware of Washington University's various nicknames as they might have only heard of the school from US News and world report, or when reading about medical advancements in the newspaper, So I think Washington U is the best choice despite the fact that it is not in spoken use amongst contemporary undergraduates. - thank you Astuishin 09:32, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm not going to revert your change since I don't think this is that big of a deal, but I feel since the name is not really used it should be left unabreviated as Washington University unless there is a pressing need to abreviate. Otherwise it's just rather strange that we're using an outdated name. I feel this would be like putting University of Texas Austin as Tex. caz | speak 01:17, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm the one who made it "Wash U" to begin with, because I wanted to differentiate from the University of Washington above, and because I'm from the St. Louis area and I know that's what people call it. However, now that it's been spelled out anyway, I'm thinking that it really wouldn't matter if the "U" was dropped and "Washington" was repeated. Then there's no issue of what people really call it; it is simply the proper name of the university. I don't think people would get it confused with the public school, as the links are of course different.—Lazytiger 18:19, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

UNC at Chapel Hill[edit]

Many of the schools listed here have multiple campuses, all of which could technically be called simply by their state's name. However, we're trying to keep the list as tidy as possible. When there is clearly a flagship campus of the system, it should be sufficient to label it simply by its state name. Ask yourself this: When someone says University of North Carolina, which campus do you think they're talking about? Maybe you're trying to show respect for the rest of the system, but Wikipedia strives to serve as broad of an audience as possible. On a national level, UNC is Chapel Hill.—Lazytiger 17:58, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Which would be a better argument if the template said "UNC", or even "University of North Carolina", but it doesn't. It simply says "North Carolina". I realize that the template is supposed to be terse, but it seems to me that this usage is obtuse. I don't know, I guess the full names of some universities sprinkled with the expurgated names of others just feels awkward, to the point that I had to think about what was being described. I'm not going to change it back, though. Just thought I'd add my two cents. -- wfaulk 04:36, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for not changing it back. I understand that North Carolina is perhaps not the best description of the school, but there really isn't that much of a mystery behind the scheme being used. Almost every single public school on the list is a "University of [blank]" or "[blank] State University". If there is a flagship campus rather than a single campus, it's referring to the flagship. Reasonable accommodations are made for schools that don't fit that scheme or that have multiple campuses, such as the SUNY and UC schools. I wouldn't be adamantly opposed to all system schools uniformly displaying specific campuses, but it seems unnecessary.—Lazytiger 12:45, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

UC Los Angeles UCLA[edit]

I've changed the displayed name for the University of California at Los Angeles. No one, and I mean no one refers to that college in general usage as "UC Los Angeles." Most UCLA students would take a moment to realize the term referred to their alma mater. UCLA is alone among the UCs in being known by only its full name or its full acronym, and nothing in between.

Okay fine with me I've only heard of UCLA; just remember to sign your post using the four ~ ~ ~ ~.- thank you Astuishin 11:57, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

"Flagships" etc.[edit]

As nice as it would be make the template more compact with shortened names, any use of so called flagships it surely contradicts WP:NPOV. See Talk:University_of_North_Carolina for some background and some of the other talk pages of similar schools for other discussions. Unfortunately, the use by the NCAA of such names confuses things, but that dates back to before many of the systems were introduced.65.190.205.109 (talk) 20:56, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it is nice to have a compact template. The use of flagships here is not overt; we're not using the word "flagship" anywhere on the template. I've had it out with other Wikipedians over use of the term and the creation of a list of flagships. I was not in favor of that. However, this is not the same situation. This is not an attempt to create a definitive list of flagships; it is simply applying de facto usage of names to create a compact template. I never implied that AAU membership is closed or restricted to flagships. It just so happens that all of the current public members of the AAU are flagships (with the exceptions of California and New York, which is why they are clarified) that are constantly referred to by these shortened names. The fact that the NCAA uses such names is not a cause but an effect of such naming usage. The creation of systems does not change the fact that one school is often clearly the subject of the generic term. However, I still stand by my comment made a year ago under the UNC section above: I'm not opposed to specifying each school campus, but I find it unnecessary. If consensus is that it should be done, then it should be done across the board, not only for select schools and not with typos as you introduced yesterday.—Lazytiger (Talk | contribs) 13:28, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
I just saw this. The template looks fine to me. I guess Minnesota, Maryland, Missouri, and Texas A&M are system schools, but they all call the one particular university of that name officially or in all promotional literature. Missouri just changed back and Maryland are actively discouraging the College Park suffix. I'm not an expert, but as far as I know the NCAA is neither cause nor effect. Calling UNC North Carolina in an academic sense is not ambiguous in identifying the school but neither is it correct. An extreme example: we could put Cal for UC Berkeley and almost everyone would know what we were talking about, but I don't think many people would argue it appropriate. It seems to me that when these things occur elsewhere in Wikipedia, the normal course is use official names, and in alphabetical order. I don't know enough about all the schools to correct any of the schools that need extra information, but it sounds like you do, so maybe you could go ahead and add it. Yellowspacehopper (talk) 16:29, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
  • I've updated the template to use the names of the articles (save for the SUNY campuses). That way, the authors of each university article can be the final arbiters of the name of the school. I don't want to start a separate discussion here of which schools need clarification and which don't. I would argue that this doesn't necessarily help the template; it certainly doesn't make it more readable or succinct. But at least it's consistent. You could perhaps take out every instance of "University (of)", but it ends up looking a little goofy.—Lazytiger (Talk | contribs) 17:37, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
What about private schools? There doesn't seem to be a need use the full names of private schools. Few readers would not recognize Harvard for Harvard University etc.thanks Astuishin (talk) 19:32, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
No, I don't believe there is any confusion between private schools; however, for consistency's sake it seemed best to spell everything out on the template.—Lazytiger (Talk | contribs) 03:42, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
I'm going to be bold and shorten the names of the schools as the template is, as Lazytiger warned, not very readable right now. I will not alter the destination links, and will use state names unless there is a common *and non-ambiguous* alternative (like Berkeley); thus, no "U of I" or "U of A". YLee (talk) 17:21, 22 July 2009 (UTC)