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BC Liberals[edit]

The BC Liberals are effectively a coalition of liberal and conservative forces in BC, one which many Conservatives are now leaving for the BC Conservative Party. I think calling the party as a whole "conservative" is questionable, particularly with Clark as leader. If the BC Liberals are conservatives, why aren't the Quebec Liberals as well? Vale of Glamorgan (talk) 20:15, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

The party is still considered by many to be centre-right, no matter Christy Clark's personal views are. She's only the leader and her party has a sizeable centre-right conservative faction. They're more to the right then other parties mentioned here that have conservative in their name. Here are recent sources that mention that they are on the right.[1][2][3][4] If you can find sources that say the Quebec Liberals are a conservative party then fell free to add them.— Preceding unsigned comment added by User:Newfoundlander&Labradorian (talkcontribs) 20:30, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Having a "centre-right conservative faction" and being a centre-right conservative party are not the same thing. The BC Liberals also have a centrist or centre-left faction whose existence is negated by listing the party in this template. Vale of Glamorgan (talk) 20:35, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

I am in agreement with VoG. Capital-C Conservative has a specific meaning in Canada. → ROUX  20:40, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Could you expand? I think this navbox should be a list of right of centre parties, regardless of name. 117Avenue (talk) 23:46, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
Parties don't fit into nice little "conservative" and "right-of-centre" boxes. If there is any debate, delete the entry. --Skeezix1000 (talk) 17:47, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
Seeing the Progressive Conservative parties in Atlantic Canada aren't very conservative, and seeing the Saskatchewan Party is made up of Conservatives and Liberals will we get rid of these parties too? Newfoundlander&Labradorian (talk) 22:03, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
Yes. I think the premise of the template is overly-simplistic and inconsistent with how parties function in the real world. Leave the parties that are undisputedly conservative on their face, and where there is doubt, delete the entry. I would say the exact same thing about any other template that purpoted to organize parties in ideological boxes, whether it was centrist or left-wing. --Skeezix1000 (talk) 15:15, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Can we look at creating just one template for all political parties in Canada, at least the major parties? We could have it divided by province. I've always found these templates a bit annoying seeing every province has a Liberal Party, yet most aren't aligned with each other or the federal party. Some provinces have Progressive Conservative parties some don't. Newfoundlander&Labradorian (talk) 16:20, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

That's a good idea. Would it replace dubious templates such as this one? --Skeezix1000 (talk) 15:23, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
Yes. Newfoundlander&Labradorian (talk) 15:31, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
What you're calling for, I think, is the deletion of the Conservative Parties template. As there's no corresponding template for Canadian small "l" liberal or progressive parties I don't have a particular problem with that, particularly as the composition of this template is subjective depending on one's definition of "conservative". You can list this template for deletion at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion. Vale of Glamorgan (talk) 16:45, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
There is a Liberal Prty template that lists all parties that are named Liberal. Newfoundlander&Labradorian (talk) 17:42, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
Yes but that's different than this template which is for small "c" conservative parties rather than all parties with the word Conservative in their title. As you point out you can have Liberal parties that aren't liberal (though I think the Ross Thatcher era Saskatchewan Liberal Party or Liberal Party of Australia are better examples of that than the BC Liberals.) Vale of Glamorgan (talk) 17:45, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
Additionally, that is a Liberal Party of Canada template and includes provincial parties that are or were at one time formally affiliated with the federal Liberal Party, again that's different from this template. Vale of Glamorgan (talk) 17:47, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Proposal[edit]

What if we created a modified version of {{British political parties}}, which would simply list all the political parties by the number of seats they have in the HoC, Senate, and provincial and territorial legislatures? Or is it too messy with 13 different legislatures? --Kevlar (talkcontribs) 15:37, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

It was tried and deleted, because it was too big, and no one is going to be navigating from the British Columbia Liberal Party to the New Brunswick New Democratic Party. 117Avenue (talk) 00:08, 11 May 2012 (UTC)