Template talk:Characters and names in the Quran

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
WikiProject Islam (Rated Template-class)
WikiProject icon This template is within the scope of WikiProject Islam, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Islam-related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.
 Template  This template does not require a rating on the project's quality scale.
 


Implicitly mentioned people?[edit]

I notice a couple of "implicitly mentioned" sections. That seems rather subjective. With Jeremiah, for example, the article says " "Jeremiah is not mentioned in the Qur'an, but Muslim exegesis and literature narrates many instances from the life of Jeremiah and tradition fleshes out his narrative." That sounds like he shouldn't be included in this template. And it is already very large. I propose that we remove all the implicit mentions. StAnselm (talk) 12:38, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

The "implicitly mentioned" sections are about people that are not named in the Quran, but there are some Ayahs about them, without mentioning their name. e.g. even Abel and Cain are not named in the Quran, but are mentioned as "Two sons of Adam". Jeremiah, as you quoted, is mentioned in the Quran's exegesis(tafsir). I added the ayahs that Jeremiah is mentioned, without naming him. Seraj (talk) 13:21, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
We could perhaps say "mentioned in ayahs" instead of "implicitly mentioned". Debresser (talk) 17:55, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

What to do if there is no article[edit]

Since Lamech (father of Nuh) doesn't exist, why not use Lamech (father of Noah)? Debresser (talk) 18:09, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks :) If you see any other occurrences, please mention it, or correct it yourself Seraj (talk) 20:30, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
I did that, but you reverted me. That's why I posted it here. Debresser (talk) 07:42, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
No, you violated the standard: The name of the prophets should be Quranic, not Bibilical. Just the first time: Nuh/Noah, and the other times: Nuh. your change was Lamech (father of Noah), mine was Lamech (father of Nuh) Seraj (talk) 10:54, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
Please check the diffs above to see that you are mistaken. Debresser (talk) 13:25, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
As I said, you changed Lamech (father of Nuh) to Lamech (father of Noah), but you should have changed it to Lamech (father of Nuh). I didn't know their is such a page, and reverted it. Thanks for your patience, and good faith assumption o:-) Seraj (talk) 20:43, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
I understand and agree that it should be Lamech (father of Nuh). It is the revert that was incorrect, as you admit. Debresser (talk) 16:38, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Deletion[edit]

I wanted to tag this template for deletion. Out of courtesy, I thought we could discuss first. I am not willing to argue about whether someone/something in mentioned in the Quran or not. My concern is that templates, according to our guidelines, should not do the work of article content, this is mentioned in Wikipedia:Template_namespace#Usage line 14 and 15. The list of people/things mentioned in the Quran can be found in page List of people mentioned by name in the Quran, we may claim that 'others' are 'implicitly' mentioned in the Quran, but that needs citation and needs to be in the article space not template space. Our previous template Template:Quranic people([1]) was okay, why was it redirected to this problematic template? Kiatdd (talk) 18:16, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

As you can see in the edithistory of Template:Quranic people, till May 15 that template was pretty nice. Then Alieseraj came along, who also made this template, and decided that things need to be changed. I am not saying his is wrong, I am just answering your question "what happened?". Debresser (talk) 20:21, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
One of the Admins restored template's history, page List of people mentioned by name in the Quran indicates who is mentioned in the Quran, there is another page List of people related to Quranic verses for those claimed to be mentioned/hinted/implicitly mentioned whatever. Saying that a person is 'implicitly' mentioned is a form of exegesis, it is okay to interpret the Quran but but that belongs in the article space not the template space. This is straight from wikipedia template guidelines Wikipedia:Template_namespace#Usage line 14 and 15.Kiatdd (talk) 18:54, 29 September 2013 (UTC)