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Rename template to Meditation?[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page moved. Aristophanes68 (talk) 19:41, 30 January 2011 (UTC)


As you can all see, the template refers to itself as being about meditation and never uses the word mysticism. Recently, someone removed the template from the Christian mysticism page, and I wonder if maybe the two topics are different enough that we need to rename the template itself to Christian Meditation. Thoughts? Aristophanes68 (talk) 23:07, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

  • Oh, it's been moved--no discussion? Okay. Thanks! Aristophanes68 (talk) 23:45, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Template:Christian meditationTemplate:Christian Mysticism — I strenuously disagree with this no-consensus move. The template is clearly about Christian mysticism. All the people listed, for instance, are known as Christian mystics, not meditators! Please read their articles! Ignatius of Loyola, Gregory of Nyssa, Bernard of Clairvaux, Guigo II, Francis of Assisi, well, the whole list is right in front of you. This list is not just about meditation!!! Please see Category:Christian mystics for an exhaustive list. And please restore this template to its rightful name. Elizium23 (talk) 00:17, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Hi Elizium23, no worries, Carl is a reasonable person, and I think we can talk to him about it. I left him a message as follows:
I saw that you moved/renamed the template to "Christian meditation" from mysticism. But that makes it technically not quite correct, for two reasons:
  • meditation as such is defined to be due to Guigo II, in the 12th century, and hence Gregory of Nyssa and Bernard of Clairvaux were mystics pre-12th century, but were not into meditation by the definitions in the articles about Guigo. Meditation is actually a component of mysticism.
  • although some of the people on there such as Teresa of Avila were deeply into meditation, others such as Francis de Sales or Therese of Lisieux were considered mystics, but not really big on meditation as such.
So I think it will be best to move it back. I have been intending to work on Christian mysticism which needs much help. We managed to get Christian meditation to Good article status, but the mysticism article qualifies for a "bad article" flag really. But right now, I do not have time to do mysticism, but hope to work on mysticism later this year. However, if you want to clean mysticism up, please do. Thanks. History2007 (talk) 00:23, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
I think that if it's going to be named "mysticism," then it should read that it's part of a series on mysticism, not meditation. If we move it back to mysticism, then I recommend we change the wording of the template to match. Aristophanes68 (talk) 00:31, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
No problem. A few keystrokes I think. History2007 (talk) 00:32, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
Do people agree that the template itself should be changed to say Mysticism? Aristophanes68 (talk) 06:55, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
It says mysticism, as you wanted. Now that it has been moved back to where it was, do you want to remove the move request etc.? Thanks. History2007 (talk) 09:47, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
Sure thing. I hope it do the tags correctly--I've been editing here almost 5 years and I've never fully learned how to use most of these templates. So if I screw it up, please correct me. Thanks, Aristophanes68 (talk) 19:41, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

SOS on mysticism[edit]

As I looked at the articles in this template, a few need an ambulance. Christian meditation is a good article, but Contemplative prayer needs help and Christian contemplation should probably merge into it. And Christian mysticism itself is asking for an ambulance, if not an undertaker. History2007 (talk) 11:06, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Christian mysticism has been edited A LOT lately, but mostly in taking out material. We'd love to have folks contribute more positive materials. Should I add a "needs immediate attention" tag to any of the project banners? Aristophanes68 (talk) 19:51, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
Is there a "call an ambulance" banner... We need that one. But seriously, it is an important topic, and I am glad this incident happened because I was going to work on it, but had been distracted. Now I am thinking about it. However, any knowledgable help on it will be great. History2007 (talk) 20:30, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

how to redirect a template tag --> Christian mysticism --> Christian Mysticism[edit]

I accidentally typed {{Christian mysticism}} (lower-case m), and I think there should be a redirect to the correct template (there already is a redirect for Template:Christian mysticism when typed into the search bar, but not one for the {{}} form), but I'm not sure if templates have different formatting for redirects.... Help? Aristophanes68 (talk) 22:15, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Template won't go underneath other boxes[edit]

Checkout Bonaventure--why is the template staying to the left of the philosopher infobox? I tried adding it to Francis of Assisi and it did the same thing with the saint infobox. Why is it not dropping beneath the previous box and aligning to the margin? Aristophanes68 (talk) 21:35, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing that! Aristophanes68 (talk) 21:45, 10 April 2011 (UTC)