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Format param

I tried (in sandbox) to add a format parameter to go with URL (e.g., to warn of pdf files), as exists on Template:Cite web, Template:Cite journal et. al. I am completely out of my depth, and managed to produce nothing but mangled templates. Anyone with better template-fu feel up to it? Consider this a sandardization request. --KGF0 ( T | C ) 05:46, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Give it a test run now. Circeus 18:57, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
Looks like it works now, thanks. I'm going to fix the documentation to reflect that (and to remove the subst someone added to Usage on the main page - subst'ing citation templates will produce nightmarish results when templates change, like now, since the changes won't get picked up.) --KGF0 ( T | C ) 05:39, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Examples

Please give some real life examples to make obvious the difference between the conference and booktitle parameters. Are we really supposed to say "conference=International Conference of Scientists | booktitle = Proceedings of the International Conference of Scientists"? — Omegatron 17:26, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Indeed, it's very silly. I especially dislike that you have to use conference to get conferenceurl. — Laura Scudder 21:53, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
I asked the person who added it. See User_talk:Omegatron#re:_Cite_conference for their response. — Omegatron 22:50, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
I had to do a bit of digging to find that: User_talk:Omegatron/Archive/September,_2007#re:_Cite_conference. What is the protocol for updating these templates? --Adoniscik (talk) 22:49, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Typo

{{editprotected}} It's nitpicky, but in the line editor: No text is added, so labels such as "(ed.)" has to be supplied by user, "has" should be "have". Any chance someone could fix that while giving the examples requested above? -Bbik 14:22, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Do it yourself. That part of the page is transcluded and not protected.

booktitle

Why is booktitle compulsory? this paper was given at a conference which has not been printed in book form. I have to use {{cite web}} or {{cite paper}} instead of {{cite conference}} Boo! jnestorius(talk) 21:21, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Same here! It's "conference" that should be mandatory, not booktitle. Organizations are increasingly releasing their publications online, so there are no formal proceedings... Same goes for the location parameter. That should be for the conference, not the proceedings. --Adoniscik (talk) 22:42, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Booktitle made optional. David Ruben Talk 02:04, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Quote

{{editprotected}} Please can we have a "quote" (distinct from "quotes") field like in {{cite journal}} --Adoniscik(t, c) 00:11, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

What needs to be added, and where? Happymelon 10:16, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Very easy! Just squeeze this in at the end:

.{{#if:{{{quote|}}}
  |  “{{{quote}}}”
}}

The period (full stop) at the beginning is intentional. --Adoniscik(t, c) 19:45, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done I used straight quotes per the manual of style. Happymelon 08:54, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
I think that this quote field needs to be added to the template at Citation_templates and Template:Cite_conference/doc. Would prefer not to do this myself. Thanks for adding it - it's very useful to be able to put a brief quote in a citation. Sidefall (talk) 09:15, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

DOI capitalization

I notice that DOI is capitalized in cite conference, but not in {{cite journal}}. Is there a good reason for this? If not, one should be changed to look like the other. (I don't care which.) e. g.:

  • {{subst:cite conference|author=William F. Bottke |title=The origin and evolution of stony meteorites|conference=Dynamics of Populations of Planetary Systems|booktitle=Proceedings of the International Astronomical Union|volume=197|pages=357–374|year=2005|doi=10.1017/S1743921304008865 }} produces
William F. Bottke (2005). "The origin and evolution of stony meteorites" in Dynamics of Populations of Planetary Systems. Proceedings of the International Astronomical Union 197: 357–374. DOI:10.1017/S1743921304008865. 
  • {{subst:cite journal| year=2004|author= J. Jeff Hester| title= The Cradle of the Solar System|journal=Science| date=[[21 May]] [[2004]] | pages= 1116–1117 | volume=304 | doi=10.1126/science.1096808}} produces
J. Jeff Hester (21 May 2004). "The Cradle of the Solar System". Science 304: 1116–1117. doi:10.1126/science.1096808. 

ASHill (talk | contribs) 16:29, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Changed to "doi" in line with {{cite journal}} and {{DOI}}. --Rifleman 82 (talk) 16:48, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Retrieval dates for online versions of old printed sources, again

Please contribute to this discussion at Citing sources: Wikipedia talk:Citing sources#Retrieval dates for online versions of old printed sources, again --EnOreg (talk) 16:17, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Consensus: We have a consensus that access dates for online copies of offline sources, while helpful as a comment in the source, should be hidden from the reader. Could somebody who is competent to adapt the citation templates please do so? The idea is to keep the access date as a template parameter but remove the code that displays it. Thanks, --EnOreg (talk) 09:21, 5 June 2008 (UTC) {{editprotected}} All it takes is to comment out these two lines:

 }}{{#if: {{{accessdate|}}}
   |. Retrieved on [[{{{accessdate}}}]].

--EnOreg (talk) 11:30, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

I've wrapped the "retrieved on..." in CSS, like the other cite templates with this request. See the centralised discussion linked above. Happymelon 18:02, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Language parameter

Could someone please add the language parameter (as has been done with {{cite book}} etc.) --Eleassar my talk 09:30, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Series parameter please

Would it be possible for someone who understands templates to add a series parameter, please? A lot of conferences are published in, for example, Lecture Notes in Computer Science -- and the volume parameter doesn't make so much sense without it. Richard Pinch (talk) 18:21, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Archive URL

{{editprotected}} Since this template has a url parameter, can we also have the archiveurl and archivedate parameters (c.f. cite book and cite web), for pages that are gone? This should be a fairly uncontroversial edit.—Chowbok 22:12, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed.. --Elonka 03:29, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Archivedate, archiveurl

Shouldn't these fields be included? __meco (talk) 17:23, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Why is accessdate wikified?

Why is accessdate wikified, especially considering MOS:UNLINKDATES? Sligocki (talk) 02:01, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Double full stop problem

{{editprotected}} Currently, if every parameter from {{{editor}}} onwards is blank, you get a double full stop at the end. e.g.: {{cite conference|first=Joe|last=Bloggs|title=Foo}} produces Bloggs, Joe. "Foo".  Algebraist 04:04, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done by Ruslik0. Thanks! Plastikspork (talk) 22:30, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Compatability with other citation templates

Most other citation templates now use Template:Citation/core to produce their output. Reasons for this are given elsewhere; in brief, it means less template maintenance and more unified output.

I've created a mock-up of Template:Cite conference which supports this new standard, which is available for testing at Template:Cite conference/citation. Please improve the page if necessary, and let me know of any bugs here. I would also welcome test-cases.

Notable improvements include support for more parameters (e.g. ISBN, separate co-authors & editors); and consistent formatting with other citation templates.

I'll make the change in a couple of days if I don't receive any comments.

Martin (Smith609 – Talk) 04:37, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

  • Support. I was going to propose this change myself. This template appears to be only one left. Ruslik_Zero 18:14, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
In that case, I'll make the change now - while I'm around to fix any bugs that might crop up. I should be able to correct any minor bugs relatively promptly if they manifest themselves by Thursday - if anything crops up then the edit should be reverted. Martin (Smith609 – Talk) 04:11, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Add provision for archived version

{{editprotected}}

Please copy sandbox into active template. The changes are:

  1. Added includeonly block.
  2. Tidied spacing that does not change the output.
  3. Updated the template so that archived sources can be documented.

I replaced:

|IncludedWorkURL = {{{url|}}}

with:

|IncludedWorkURL = {{#if:{{{archiveurl|}}}|{{{archiveurl|}}}|{{{url|}}}}}

added two two lines:

|OriginalURL = {{#if:{{{archiveurl|}}}|{{{url|}}}}}
|ArchiveDate = {{{archivedate|}}}

The additional code was copied from {{cite web}}and {{cite journal}}. It is similar to code in {{cite news}}. Please take a look at the test casesdroll [chat] 20:39, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

I think this change is not controversial and is in accordance with general practice as the citation templates I checked had this functionality. –droll [chat] 20:56, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done - this is certainly uncontroversial and the edit looks good - as you say that the test cases work, I've made the change. Thanks for your coding! Martin (Smith609 – Talk) 21:02, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Request, Abstract / Poster indicators

A field to insert Abstract Poster indicators near the |format= parameter's output is necessary to deal with incomplete works. Ideally, a non-published field which would eliminate quotation marks and italics would be great. Fifelfoo (talk) 02:19, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Booktitle should be italicized

Aka, the "AIP Conference Proceedings: 18th International Conference on Noise and Fluctuations", in

Chang, Cheng-Hung, and Tian Y. Tsong (2005). "Stochastic Resonance of Na, K-Ion Pumps on the Red Cell Membrane". AIP Conference Proceedings: 18th International Conference on Noise and Fluctuations 780. American Institute of Physics. pp. 587–590. doi:10.1063/1.2036821. ISBN 0-7354-0267-1. 

should be italicized. Headbomb {ταλκκοντριβς – WP Physics} 23:00, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, for some reason "booktitle" and "conference" appear to be inverted, resulting in inverted placement and italicization. I'm fixing that. Circéus (talk) 22:59, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Parameter conferenceurl broken?

I can't seem to get the parameter conferenceurl to work. I'm also using the conference parameter, but no link appears for it. The example is on one of my sandboxes. – VisionHolder « talk » 03:02, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

That would because someone decided to stuff "conferenceurl" in the {{Citation/core}} "URL" parameter, which is not connected to "conference" at all (they stuffed "Conference" under "series" for some reason o_O). Circéus (talk) 06:29, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for fixing it! – VisionHolder « talk » 02:34, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Multiple links

Why are both the title and booktitle being linked to the url? Ntsimp (talk) 07:58, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Same question.TimothyRias (talk) 10:48, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

I just figured it out: the conference template accomodates two url parameters: "url", which is intended to be the article url, and "conferenceurl". However, the implementation mapped "url" to both "IncludedWordURL" and "URL" of {{citation/core}}, the first was the intended use, but the second links the book title, which leads to this problem. Circéus (talk) 21:01, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Undocumented parameter: day

Can someone explain why the undocumented parameter "day" exists? Jc3s5h (talk) 19:13, 11 January 2011 (UTC)