Template talk:Covert United States involvement in regime change

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Russian civil war[edit]

The allied involvement in the Russian civil war is complex. There was a covert phase followed by a overt "boots on the ground" phase. It's muddier than most cases, but there absolutely were covert attempts to favor the White movement over the Reds.

To paraphrase and cite the research another wikipedian already did on this question:

The United States began covert operations in support of the Russian opposition factions. (Humanities and Social Sciences On-Line, Review of book by David S. Foglesong, America's Secret War Against Bolshevism: U.S. Intervention in the Russian Civil War, 1917-1920, David S. Foglesong, America's Secret War Against Bolshevism: U.S. Intervention in the Russian Civil War 1917-1920, Chapter 5, "American Intelligence Gathering, Propaganda and Covert Action in Revolutionary Russia")

Should we just include 1918 Russia in with covert, or would it be better to group all "boots on ground" style interventions together as their own template? --HectorMoffet (talk) 08:04, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Sources[edit]

Wavehunter, Thank you for your note. In Postwar: A History of Europe Since 1945, Tony Judt said that US government and CIA took active role in the relative happenings of Italy, Greece and gave the Solidarity of Poland about 50 million US dollars. During my reading of this book, I somewhat got the impression of these but forgot the precise pages. So I'm still refinding the references. The Cambodian coup d'etat is related with Cambodian Civil War in which the US supported General Lon Nol to overthrow Sihanouk so as to have a better position to bomb Vietcong's sourthward attacks through secret routes in Cambodia. I think this is qutie obvious. But if the evidence is extremely lacking, just delete it.

Further, I even hear about a conspiracy theory that the CIA Chief of the Soviet/East European Division Milton Bearden launched a covert operation codenamed Genius of the Carpathians to overthow Ceausescu regime in 1989. But this is truly a conspiracy theory waiting for evidence to surface.--Aronlee90 (talk) 13:15, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

That's great, Aronlee90. Thank you for giving a book source. Tony Judt was a reputable historian. --Wavehunter (talk) 14:57, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Libya[edit]

While the US/NATO intervention in Libya was certainly an attempt at regime change can it fairly be called 'covert'? I mean covert implies at least an attempt at maintaining plausible deniability, right? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.15.21.117 (talk) 02:56, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

You're right. the US' involvement was anything but covert. they even sent warships and planes to assist in the UN-mandated blockade. Emigdioofmiami (talk) 01:57, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

I have deleted Libya from the list as there is tons of obvious evidence of US active involvement and obviousness. here's a video they published showing the USS Barry (DDG-52) firing the first Tomahawk missiles in the intervention. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztTyfl1-NXI — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emigdioofmiami (talkcontribs) 02:16, 31 March 2014 (UTC)