Template talk:Heraldic creatures

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I'm not sure the tiger should be included. The heraldic tyger (so spelled) is a mythical monster that bears little resemblance to the real animal beyond being approximately feline. When a real tiger appears in heraldry it is blazoned as a "Bengal tiger". Opera hat (talk) 10:36, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

LOTSA issues here....[edit]

I see a lot of problems with this template:

  • some of the links have different names than what they link to; eg. Crapaudy => [Toad]; Emmet => [Ant]. this is, IMO, really really confusing. I get that heraldry has off the wall names for stuff, but can't we make the link match what page it is going to? maybe something like Crapaudy(toad) Emmet(ant)? CHANGING: as per suggestion: (Emmet=>ant, crapaudy=>toad, hind/stag=>deer, lucy=>esox, Camelopard=>giraffe). see following note regarding hind/stag
  • Borz doesn't need its own entry, the main page on wolf heraldry already links to the Borz page, which frankly isn't extensive enough to get special treatment in this template. REMOVING
  • Martlets are real. says so right on the linked page, they're an old word for Swifts. should be moved out of legendary critters and into birds. CHANGING -> put in birds
  • [Griffin] has FOUR entries (Alce,Griffin,Keythong,Opinicus). that's just annoying and confusing. CHANGING: Griffin(alce,keythong,opinicus)
  • Bull&Ox, Stag/Hind are like Griffen, duplicates of each other, but less clearly different names/variations of what is basically the same symbolic beast. CHANGING: Bull/Ox , Hind/Stag(deer)
  • Dolphins aren't fish; although of course they were considered so back in heraldry days so not sure if this should really be fixed or not. (LEAVING BE FOR NOW)
  • there are a lot of creatures on the list (eg: Tikbalang) for which the linked pages don't make any mention of heraldry, and which are probably NOT traditional heraldic creatures (Tikbalang is from Fillipino myth, for example). I'm guessing maybe some modern heraldic crests include these creatures? shouldn't these maybe broken off into their own section or excluded entirely? similar arguments could apply to [Kangaroo]. (LEAVING BE FOR NOW) — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:29, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Ok: after digging into Griffin a little bit, cleaning it up further: Alce/Keythong: wingless griffins, apparently fairly common in heraldry. probably should use the '/' form as per deer & cattle. Opinicus: griffin with lion front legs, per the linked page the term isn't well referenced, and the variation not that common. removing entirely, anyone looking for this should eventually end up on the Griffin page regardless. (Griffin#Form) — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:11, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

  • hit most of the issues seen but one that I noticed is that while a few of the links to heraldic beasts attest what they are a symbol of (ie. courage, wit, speed), most don't, wherefore people who are looking to the articles to explain such things will most likely find most articles lacking — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 03:31, 22 February 2014 (UTC)