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Michael the Brave/First unification[edit]

Certainly, the event was marginal at the time of it’s making, and, of course, was transformed in a myth by the national-communist propaganda, but is also true that it had an influence on Romanian nationalistic historical figures in the 19’th century and contributed to the ulterior making of Romania. Only because we talk about nationalists and nationalistic ideas, it does not mean its influence was not real or shameful, and I think it deserves a place in the timeline of Romanian history. Maybe not under the “first unification” or “Michael the Brave”, but I have no better title idea, I admitt.--79.116.53.154 (talk) 11:09, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Bottom line: I could take just about any "mythical" figure in Romanian history and explore the same argument ("marginal at the time of its making", "transformed in a myth by the national-communist propaganda", "had an influence on Romanian nationalistic historical figures" - the "contributed to the ulterior making of Romania" can mean just about anything). Would that validate the inclusion in the template of say, Stephen the Great, Vasile Lupu, Horea, Cuza, Carol I (if not also Petru Cercel and Samuil Micu-Klein)? No. The contextual importance of one rule and one ruler, as opposed to events involving collective actors, can be picked out from the period articles (in this case, the "Early Modern period" article). Otherwise, we renounce a minimal criterion and open the floodgates to "I likes it"-type inclusions. Dahn (talk) 11:30, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
And let me add: the very core of the argument, which admits that the event was not important in its time but "served to etc.", is proof of Whig history (so is calling an event which may not have been a unification at all "First Unification" - oh, and those lovely capital letters...) Dahn (talk) 11:35, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Bessarabia[edit]

The history of Bessarabia is an integral part of Romania's history, from prehistory to modern times. Also, the break down of history by region is done following and keeping consistency with Historical regions of Romania.--Codrin.B (talk) 21:31, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

It's no more integral than Transylvania is of Hungarian history, Wallachia of Bulgarian history, Dobruja of Turkish history etc. The only neutral way to present history is presenting evolution of current territories. Otherwise similar irredentist templates would sprout all over the Balkans and transform (again) Wikipedia into a battleground.Anonimu (talk) 21:42, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
Anonimu, you are missing the point and just disrupting things again out of your suspicious agenda. Shared regions, which changed owners multiple times, belong to history of multiple nations and thus to each template. Transylvania is already (as it should be) on the {{History of Hungary}} template. Most regions of Romania belonged to others at some point in time. By your logic, this template will have nothing in it.--Codrin.B (talk) 21:53, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
There's a huge difference between linking a specific period in time when the region was highly relevant for the development of a modern country, as the History of Hungary template does for the Principality of Transylvania, and History of Romania does for Wallachia and Moldavia, and irredentist claims over neighboring territories, implying a state is the rightful owner of a foreign territory from time immemorial, as you want to. Including the whole history of Bessarabia in the history of Romania is as adequate as including the whole history of Romania in the template about the history of Turkey.Anonimu (talk) 22:02, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

inline inclusion of Dacia[edit]

Some relevant discussion about this template is at User talk:Fakirbakir#Re: Template. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 10:54, 14 November 2012 (UTC)