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What "Crusade"?[edit]

So I see, that you also believe, that for example Holland and Netherland is one thing, and England and Kingdom of England (that including England and Wales) is also one thing! --KirkEN (talk) 16:21, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

If you post insults to my talk page, I see no point in replying to you or your insinuations. Whether I believe such things or not is actually none of your business! Str1977 (talk) 21:48, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
You really know nothing of czech history. For example do you know, what is "Crown" as territory? That are all territories belonging to ruler of one of them. For example the Kingdom of Castile and the Crown of Castile are two different things.--KirkEN (talk) 22:59, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
extract of web: http://hairetikos.tripod.com/Histbohe.htm
The Luxembourg Dynasty (1310 - 1437)
The reign of the dynasty began when John of Luxembourg (1310-1346) was elected King of Bohemia in 1310. The Luxembourg kings added new regions to their kingdom. This realm was named The Crownlands of Bohemia, a term made official by a decree of Charles IV in 1348. The official Crownlands were made up of the kingdom of Bohemia and the so-called adjoining lands - the margravate of Moravia, the Silesian principalities, Upper Lusatia and, from 1368, Lower Lusatia too.
The kingdom of Bohemia reached its height of power and prestige during the reign of Charles IV (1346-1378), the second Luxembourg on the throne of Bohemia In 1344, the Prague Archbishopric was founded. He established Charles University in 1348 - it was the first university founded north of the Alps. Charles IV was crowned Roman Emperor in Rome in 1355. --KirkEN (talk) 00:04, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
Stop insulting me. I know more than you suspect. I prefer "Kingdom of Bohemia" as both accurate and simple but will not reject "Lands of the Bohemian crown" or whatever, provided that this is not used to push a Czech nationalist POV as it was earlier! All your quoting does nothing to make your case against the term "Kingdom of Bohemia" being applicable to the whole conglomerate too, especially since Moravia was not joined to it by the Luxemburg kings but was always tied to the Kingdom of Bohemia since there was a Kingdom of Bohmia. Str1977 (talk) 08:02, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
Bohemia is only western historical land of the Czech republic, what knows every histographer in the Czech republic. And using this term for all territory of The Czech republic is insulting people of Moravia and Silesia! --KirkEN (talk) 12:38, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
French German of Alsace are citizens of France and it's not insulting them. Besides German of Bohemia, Moravia and Silesia were once inviting to settle border territories. They were living there, but it doesn't mean, that these territories were part of Germany as some of they were thinking. France also doesn't belongs to newcomers from Africa! --KirkEN (talk) 12:52, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
Bohemia - or rather Kingdom of Bohemia - is both the name of a certain land as well as the one of a conglomeration of lands under the Bohemian crown. What histographers (what is this?) in the Czech Republic supposedly know is of no concern. And we are not talking about "territory of The (sic!) Czech republic" at all but about that territory in history before the Czech Republic (founded in the 1990s) ever existed!
I cannot fathom what you are on about with your reference to the Alsace. But consider that France originally only designated a Duchy around Paris. After your reasoning, Burgundians and Normands and Bretons and Provencals etc. should all be very insulted by our use of France!
Sure German-settled territories of the Bohemian Kingdom were not part of Germany as such (apart from 1938/45) but the whole Kingdom of Bohemia was part of the German Kingdom within the HRE. But that is beside the point. Your trying to portray the Kingdom of Bohemia of times past as a Czech nation state, which it never was. Str1977 (talk) 09:57, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
You are telling lies again. Bohemia and Moravia never were part of the German kingdom! See German kingdom. But you are "expert on everything" or maybe some kind of demagogue, aren't you? --KirkEN (talk) 16:19, 25 September 2009 (UTC)