Template talk:Human sexuality

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Broken template[edit]

i can't figure out why this template i've made is broken. could someone fix the coding? Kikodawgzzz (talk) 01:21, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Fixed it - problem was some mis-matched brackets. Zodon (talk) 04:29, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Template needs development[edit]

At the moment this template just covers areas already covered by other templates. {{Gender and sexual identities}}, {{LGBT}}, {{Sexual orientation}}, and {{Close relationships}}. The idea of this template was proposed at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Sexology and sexuality#Sexuality sidebar/template/side-navbar?. It would be prudent to promptly reshape it along the lines proposed there (or whatever else interested editors deem appropriate) to make it into a distinct template, lest it be deleted as a duplicate. Zodon (talk) 05:31, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Agreed, but some or another user seems to have just pared down the whole thing to a single line. I'm reverting to an earlier version to rescue it. Kikodawgzzz (talk) 18:06, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
As noted in the edit summaries for the removals - the sections removed were duplicates of more specific templates, i.e. {{Transgender}} which covers the sex roles section, and {{Gender and sexual identities}} and {{Sexual orientation}} which cover sex orientation.
If there is some specific reason why just those articles belong here and not others in the same topic areas, and why those portions of other templates need to be duplicated here - that needs to be explained.
Even better would be to expand on the original stated intention of this template - to cover the social science aspects of human sexuality. Making it clearly cover new ground, and make it clear what the inclusion principles are would give it a purpose.
Given that this area already has a lot of templates and the sexuality portal it is hard to see what a general template like this can usefully cover. I looked around human sexuality and sexology a bit, but didn't see obvious directions in which to expand this template.
There is no point in just duplicating other templates (see, e.g. WP:POV fork).
The original impetus for this template might be better covered by a template on asexuality, or something along those lines. There seem to be a cluster of related articles on similar topics (philosophy, practice, etc.)
I originally suggested creating a draft (not starting a template yet) to clarify the idea of this template and to develop it into something. (A draft could sit around in talk space indefinitely until the ideas developed). When this template was created I figured it was reasonable to leave a little time for it to develop, but so far it hasn't developed any clear reason to exist. Absent expansion to cover new areas, I think this template should either be moved to become a template on asexuality (or similar), or just deleted. Zodon (talk) 20:33, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
You're missing a key factor here (which surprises me, because originally you were on my side in my doing this). This template is meant to basically be a sexology template, i.e., to deal with the sexuality topics of scientific and research-based interest. There are certainly enough scientific phenomena within sexuality to warrant a template composed exclusively of those things-- heterosexuality, homosexuality, genderqueer studies, the dozens and maybe hundreds of different types of relationships human beings can get into with each other, and on and on. It seems ludicrous to me that "Human Sex" should somehow be lumped all together into one huge smorgasbord of sexual positions, sexual orientations, and sexual practices simply because they all have sex as a common root. There are scientific ways to explore sexuality, which is what sexology is, and there should be a template with emphasis on specifically sexological topics, which is what the Template:Human sexuality is supposed to be. Instead of paring it down or tearing it apart, why don't we help build it together into what it's meant for? Kikodawgzzz (talk) 22:40, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
No objection to building up the template - that is what I indicated was needed at the start of this discussion. If you see a manageable size group of articles with a common theme that aren't already adequately linked by the portal or other templates, by all means add them. That is what I understood the purpose of this template to be - to cover areas that aren't covered by other templates. Pearing off items that are already covered by other templates does not mean opposition to the template - it is an essential part of editing.
As noted, I looked around the overview articles on these topics and didn't see obvious articles to add. So be bold - propose or add specific articles/or groupings of articles that aren't already covered by more specific templates. Since you see lots of articles that make sense for this template - what are they? Zodon (talk) 01:50, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
Our trouble here would seem to be that sexological topics, when speaking strictly sexologically, and not leaving any room for 'blurring the lines', do indeed include things that for now are already under other templates. There is a lot of crossover between the topics that are dealt with sexologically and in social psychology on the one hand (i.e. scientifically), and also sexually (in the sense of sexual acts, sexual arousal, sexual positions) as well. Often the sexological aspects of homosexuality (to use only one example) are crossed-over so thoroughly with the sociological and the sexual aspects, within the articles themselves, that it would be impossible to somehow 'separate out' these factors in any significant way. On the other hand, the G-spot may be an example of an article that could more definitively fit in the sexology-centered 'slant' of this new template, that is to say, without crossing over, or at least without crossing over nearly as much. If anyone else thinks of anything else please let us know on here. Kikodawgzzz (talk) 18:54, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

[Outdent] Perhaps a navigation template is not a good way to provide the function you are looking for. "Navigation templates are particularly useful for a small, well-defined group of articles" Wikipedia:Categories, lists, and navigation templates. You indicate that the collection of articles may not be small. You also indicate that it overlaps a lot with aritcles already in navigation templates (templates of long-standing, well developed, reasonable to large size, etc.) There also appears to be ambiguity (fuzzyness/cross-over) in the inclusion criteria. See also Wikipedia:Navigation templates. For all these reasons, the purpose is probably better served by use of categories Category:Sexology and/or lists Index of sexology articles. Zodon (talk) 06:51, 12 October 2010 (UTC)


Any objection to the addition of Affair to this template? (talk) 15:08, 24 June 2013 (UTC)