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Plainlist[edit]

Propose to add the plainlist class:

| bodyclass   = vcard plainlist

This will allow embedded lists without using breaks or {{plainlist}}.

Current usage:

|awards= Purple Heart (3 [[Oak leaf cluster|OLC]])<br />Bronze Star (2 [[Oak leaf cluster|OLC]])<br />[[World War II Victory Medal]]<br />[[Presidential Unit Citation (United States)|Presidential Unit Citation]] (2 [[Oak leaf cluster|OLC]])<br />[[Orange Lanyard|Orange Lanyard of the Royal Netherlands Army]]

Or;

|awards=
{{Plainlist|
* Purple Heart (3 [[Oak leaf cluster|OLC]])
* Bronze Star (2 [[Oak leaf cluster|OLC]])
* [[World War II Victory Medal]]
* [[Presidential Unit Citation (United States)|Presidential Unit Citation]] (2 [[Oak leaf cluster|OLC]])
* [[Orange Lanyard|Orange Lanyard of the Royal Netherlands Army]]
}}

Updated usage:

|awards=
* Purple Heart (3 [[Oak leaf cluster|OLC]])
* Bronze Star (2 [[Oak leaf cluster|OLC]])
* [[World War II Victory Medal]]
* [[Presidential Unit Citation (United States)|Presidential Unit Citation]] (2 [[Oak leaf cluster|OLC]])
* [[Orange Lanyard|Orange Lanyard of the Royal Netherlands Army]]

While all three samples would appear alike, the use of breaks to create a list is semantically incorrect and can affect screen readers. The use of {{plainlist}} is an extra template that can be avoided by adding the class.

The only issue that would be introduced would be if someone were deliberately using a bulleted list in an infobox and I have not seen that in the samples I browsed. The use of the plainlist class is used in other inforboxes. --  Gadget850 talk 15:45, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

seems fine with me. if you want to be less aggressive, you could always use |class15=plainlist. Frietjes (talk) 16:00, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
That was one example. Lists are also used in |unit=, |spouse=, |relations= and others. --  Gadget850 talk 16:02, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
Are we sure that lists in this infobox are always of the types listed, and not shown "normally"? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:41, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
could have a bot check? Frietjes (talk) 17:57, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
@Pigsonthewing: Do you mean a bulleted list? I won't guarantee it, but I have cleaned up a lot of articles using various person infoboxes and have never seen bulleted lists in use. How about:
| bodyclass = vcard {{{liststyle|plainlist}}}

Then it would default to plainlist but can be readily changed to different styles.

plainlist
  • Line 1
  • Line 2
  • Line 3
hlist
  • Line 1
  • Line 2
  • Line 3
flatlist
  • Line 1
  • Line 2
  • Line 3

Or; we could just add the bare parameter and not make it default. --  Gadget850 talk 22:46, 14 December 2014 (UTC)


mixed
  • Line 1
  • Line 2
  • Line 3

So long as mixing the types works, as here, your original proposal seems OK. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 08:56, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Done, tested and documented. --  Gadget850 talk 14:24, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
Uh, was this change (or some other recent one I'm not aware of) supposed to require people to fix dozens of military bios to continue to display bulleted lists of awards or battles/wars? I ask because every such bio I've checked lately has lost its bullets, e.g. John F. Bolt and Vernon Sturdee, just to name two, but every Featured military bio I've checked is the same. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 08:58, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
John Bolt is using two list styles: |unit= uses <br /> for a plain pseudo-list and |battles= uses a bulleted list. I added |liststyle=flatlist to restore it for now, but |unit= and the others should be updated. As noted, <br /> should not be used to create lists. --  Gadget850 talk 12:35, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
Tks for that, and I don't particularly have an issue re. not using <br /> to create lists. However it remains that scores of articles that used bullets to indent campaigns/battles underneath wars (e.g. Bolt) without the need for the |liststyle=flatlist will presumably now have to have that added to get the same formatting they had before. That's a helluva lot of work to reinstate the the same look the articles had before -- can you do what you wanted to do with the infobox template without causing all this extra work for the people who maintain these articles? Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 07:56, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Reverted. As previously documented, use {{plainlist}} instead of breaks. --  Gadget850 talk 08:48, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Children and parents[edit]

Why is there a spouse= and no children= parameter and no parents= ? Most military people are from military families and the links and data would be useful. It is a standard biographical parameter. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 18:21, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

I complain about this too!!! It should have the basic parameters of the infobox person. Cause of death should also be on there too (eg killed in battle, plane crash etc). Wikimandia (talk) 06:13, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Rank/Rate[edit]

An edit request was made on a article using this template. See Talk:Chris_Kyle#Semi-protected_edit_request_on_25_January_2015. Apparently for US Naval enlisted personnel, "Rate" is the term used instead of "Rank". See here. Would it be appropriate to change this template to allow for use of the term "Rate"? I have no opinion on the matter, but raise the issues in response to the mentioned edit request.  B E C K Y S A Y L E 05:58, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Not sure we should add a new field just because of use in one service the reader will understand the term rank and it could start requests for more additional fields for service-peculiar terminology, and I suspect we would end up with both rank and rate filled in differently on the same article! MilborneOne (talk) 13:02, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
Weighing in that Wikipedia is to be written in a global perspective, making service-specific fields in the info-box seems a terrible idea, although proper terminology should be encouraged in the article itself. BP OMowe (talk) 16:30, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
Technically this could be done by changing to | label10 = {{{rank_label|Rank}}} where the label defaults to Rank. -- Gadget850 talk 17:15, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Religion field[edit]

A field for "religion" (Christian, Muslim, etc) should be added, it would be relevant for at least some notable figures.--Sigehelmus (talk) 21:15, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

It would very rarely be relevant but if the field is there then some users will add it when it's irrelevant. I guess most uses would be irrelevant. Just write the religion in the article text if it really matters. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:24, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Coat of arms field[edit]

A field for "coat of arms" should be added, which should be useful for medieval generals and noblemen. Reigen (talk) 10:27, 7 May 2015 (UTC)