Template talk:Information

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Note: The description below the template can be edited at Template:Information/doc

Description of template on talk page[edit]

I moved the description of the template from the template itself to the talk page. A template such as this has the potential to be used on many, many pages, and any modifications to it could possibly slow down the entire site. Having the usage description here on the talk page allows us to update the documentation without modifying the template itself. ~MDD4696 00:27, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Moved to /doc Andy Mabbett | Talk to Andy Mabbett 20:26, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Date & time-stamp[edit]

Please see discussion on Commons for a proposal to upgrade Commons' version of this template, to include an hCalendar date-time-stamp and location information in an hCard microformat. Any such changes should be mirrored in this template. Andy Mabbett | Talk to Andy Mabbett 20:23, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Permission[edit]

Shouldn't the permission field read "Copyright status" or "Licence": we don't use images with Wikipedia-specific permission any more. Physchim62 (talk) 16:54, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

location field[edit]

What happened to the location field? For example, see Image:Hammarlund Comet Pro.JPG which used to show "Location" in the template.--mikeu (talk) 15:16, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

The location parameter is still asked for on the file/image upload page. It is useful in that context. Is there a good reason it's not actually used by the template? --J Clear (talk) 13:46, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Add lowercase parameters[edit]

{{editprotected}}

Please can the template be updated to the following:

{| summary="A standardized table providing complete information about the file, including description of what it shows and how it was made, copyright status and source." class="toccolours" style="width: 100%" cellpadding="2"
! style="background: #ccf; text-align: right; vertical-align: top; padding-right: 0.4em; width: 15%" id="fileinfotpl_desc" |Description
|
{{ #if: {{{Description|{{{description|}}}}}} | {{{Description|{{{description}}}}}} | {{Description missing}} }}
|- valign="top"
! style="background: #ccf; text-align: right; padding-right: 0.4em" id="fileinfotpl_src" | Source
|
{{#if:{{{Source|{{{source|}}}}}}|{{{Source{{{source|}}}}}}|[[Category:Images without source|{{PAGENAME}}]] No source specified. Please edit this image description and provide a source.}}
|- valign="top"
! style="background: #ccf; text-align: right; padding-right: 0.4em; white-space: nowrap" id="fileinfotpl_date" | Date
|
{{{Date|{{{date}}}}}}
|- valign="top"
! style="background: #ccf; text-align: right; padding-right: 0.4em" id="fileinfotpl_aut" | Author
|
{{ #if: {{{Author|{{{author|}}}}}} | {{{Author|{{{author}}}}}} | {{Description missing|author information}} }}
|- valign="top"
! style="background: #ccf; text-align: right; padding-right: 0.4em" id="fileinfotpl_perm" | Permission<br /><small>([[Commons:Commons:Reusing content outside Wikimedia|Reusing this image]])</small>
|
{{#if:{{{Permission|{{{permission|}}}}}}|{{{Permission|{{{permission}}}}}}|See below.}}
{{#switch: {{{other_versions|}}}
|   =
| - =
| none =
| #default = <tr valign="top"><td style="background: #ccf; text-align: right; padding-right: 0.4em; font-weight: bold" id="fileinfotpl_ver">Other versions</td><td>
{{{other_versions}}}</td></tr>}}
|}<noinclude>
{{Documentation, template}}</noinclude>

This will permit redirection of Template:Image information, make the template more userfriendly, and generally help out. Happymelon 21:25, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

YesY Done - Nihiltres{t.l} 17:25, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
{{editprotected}}There was a misprint: {{{Source{{{source|}}}}}} should be {{{Source|{{{source|}}}}}}. Check the effect on Image:Devanagari INSCRIPT.png.--Imz (talk) 21:28, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Done. --- RockMFR 03:52, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Minor tweak[edit]

{{editprotected}} I'd like to suggest that the equal signs in the template be lined up for aesthetic reasons, like this:

{{Information
| Description    = 
| Source         = 
| Date           =  
| Author         = 
| Permission     = 
| other_versions = 
}}

Also, why is the last parameter "other_versons" rather than capitalized "Other_versions" like the others? — Cheers, JackLee talk 12:14, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

X mark.svg Not done - in the template itself, it's impractical - there's so much else there (if this then that) that it wouldn't be noticed. If you're talking about the documentation - feel free to do it yourself. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 16:03, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Category:Images lacking a description[edit]

Does anyone know why images like Image:Yu gi oh ver1.jpg are being placed in Category:Images lacking a description? The description parameter seems to be completed. -- 05:41, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I see that it requires the author parameter to be filled in. Question, would anyone object if I removed the following line:
{{ #if: {{{Author|{{{author|}}}}}} | {{{Author|{{{author}}}}}} | {{Description missing|author information}} }}

making it so that images without the author field filled in are now ignored? If not, I would suggest moving to another category like Category:Images lacking an author or something. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 07:04, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

{{editprotected}} Can something do the edit requested above? -- Ricky81682 (talk) 02:06, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done Created Category:Images lacking an author. Do with it as you will :D. Happymelon 08:38, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Edit request[edit]

{{editprotected}} In the template, please change Category:Images without source to Category:Images with unknown source. "Images without source" is the name of the equivalent category on Commons, while English Wikipedia uses the latter category. Also, in the "please provide a source" message that shows if a source isn't given, please wikilink back to WP:CITE#IMAGE so the uploader knows what we're looking for. Kelly hi! 21:49, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Done. Thanks for the recommendations.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:34, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Edit request[edit]

{{editprotected}} I'm so sorry I didn't notice this yesterday - the "Category:Images with unknown source" found in the template needs to have "includeonly" tags placed around it so that the template itself isn't included in the category. And while in there, please change {{documentation, template}} to just {{documentation}}. Thank you! Kelly hi! 13:56, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Also done. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 17:35, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Edit request[edit]

Reword template to be less agressive, in particular change no source field to something like. 'No source currently specified, Can you help provide one?'

Sfan00 IMG (talk) 15:35, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

per Wikipedia:Per, if you require an edit, could you please give the exact details of your suggestion - and please demonstrate a clear consensus decision to make the edit.  Chzz  ►  05:46, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Bring one parameter in line - request[edit]

{{editprotected}}

As an uncontroversial improvement, I'd like to request to change the parameter "other-versions" to a capitalised "Other_versions" as all other parameters. That would mean changing

{{#switch: {{{other_versions|}}}
|   =
| - =
| none =
| #default = <tr valign="top"><td style="background: #ccf; text-align: right; padding-right: 0.4em; font-weight: bold" id="fileinfotpl_ver">Other versions</td><td>
{{{other_versions}}}</td></tr>}}

to

{{#switch: {{{Other_versions|{{{other_versions|}}}}}}
|   =
| - =
| none =
| #default = <tr valign="top"><td style="background: #ccf; text-align: right; padding-right: 0.4em; font-weight: bold" id="fileinfotpl_ver">Other versions</td><td>
{{{Other_versions|{{{other_versions}}}}}}</td></tr>}}

Of course the documentation should be changed accordingly, which you can do, or I can do as well. Debresser (talk) 16:18, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

I agree with the code, and I see in the template code that all the other parameters already support being fed with both upper and lower case first character in the parameter names.
But for the documentation I think we should go the other way. This template needs to be compatible with the same template at Commons to make moving of images to Commons easier. I see that the Commons version support both upper and lower case first character for all its parameters, but its documentation recommend lower case. And the current praxis here at Wikipedia is to use all lower case for parameter names in most templates.
I haven't had breakfast yet so I'll leave the edit to some other admin that is more awake (I tend to screw things up before breakfast).
Oh, and isn't this template also added by the file upload interface? Then we should consider updating the defaults it uses there.
--David Göthberg (talk) 17:11, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
I subscribe to David Göthberg's suggestion to use lowercase parameters in the documentation, and since that can be changed even now, I shall do so. Debresser (talk) 19:53, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
In addition, I would very much like to know the location of those file upload interface templates. I have been looking for them. Debresser (talk) 19:53, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
I looked around. Oddly enough the default {{Information|...}} in the file upload interface is not added by a system message, instead it is added directly in the URLs used on Wikipedia:Upload. We should update those URLs too. But first we should announce this on Wikipedia talk:Upload.
--David Göthberg (talk) 23:23, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
We should indeed update those URLs as well. Debresser (talk) 23:46, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

To make it even nicer, we could use

{{#switch: {{{Other_versions|{{{other_versions|{{{other versions|}}}}}}}}}
|   =
| - =
| none =
| #default = <tr valign="top"><td style="background: #ccf; text-align: right; padding-right: 0.4em; font-weight: bold" id="fileinfotpl_ver">Other versions</td><td>
{{{Other_versions|{{{other_versions|{{{other versions|}}}}}}}}}</td></tr>}}

Then we could remove that underscore and make the parameter "other versions". I once was involved in doing that to a few templates connected with Template:Album_cover_fur, together with User:Rich Farmbrough. Debresser (talk) 23:46, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Actually, what I was looking for is where the code for files is determined. In very simple words: where should I make an edit to add a whiteline in front of the == License == header in e.g. File:Vatteluttu.png (and all other files), which reads:

== Summary ==
My own photograph
== Licensing ==
{{GFDL-self-with-disclaimers|migration=relicense}}

Debresser (talk) 23:50, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

I added two missing pipes "|" in your code above.
I agree that using the parameter name without underscore is nicer. Note that the documentation at Commons currently recommends "other_fields=", but the Commons version of the template can handle the parameter without underscore too, and the Commons doc has been changed several times lately without any discussion.
And I looked around, the "== Licensing ==" text is not especially configurable since it seems most of it is hardcoded in the MediaWiki code, only the word "Licensing" itself can be edit in MediaWiki:License-header. And once a file has been uploaded that text is stored on the file page itself, so a change in MediaWiki:License-header only affects later uploads.
And I have announced this discussion at Wikipedia talk:Upload.
--David Göthberg (talk) 01:15, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
YesY Done - I added the above code to the template, and did some other minor fixes. Sorry that it took so long.
--David Göthberg (talk) 04:32, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
Good change. The first pipe I forgot, but the second pipe wasn't in the original code either. That is why I didn't add it.
Why did you move the protection template to the template itself? I prefer them on the documentation pages, and that is also what it says on Wikipedia:Protection_policy#Templates. Not that it is an important enough issue to change it back, but I don't see why it has to be moved into the template either. Or did you add it to the template first, and didn't notice that there was one in the documentation already?
So what should I do, meaning probably "where should I post", to have that whiteline in front of the License header? Debresser (talk) 06:55, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
Regarding the protection template: I have copied that part of your message to Wikipedia talk:Protection policy#Template protection and responded there.
And regarding the "== Licensing ==" header: That would take first a discussion on the tech Village Pump to get input from more users and achieve consensus, then a bugzilla bug to report it to the devs. But it would mean a change to all Wikimedia projects, and many users prefer to not have space around the headers (but I like space), so I think your chance to get the change is about 0.5%, while your risk of annoying a lot of people is about 70%. So I recommend you forget about it. Sorry.
--David Göthberg (talk) 09:32, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
Ok. Thanks. Debresser (talk) 11:56, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Edit request for reuse text[edit]

{{editprotected}} Please fix Presently, this template generates the text "Reusing this image" but the Image: namespace was renamed File: several months ago and this template is generated if someone is uploading audio, images, or video. I suggest amending it to read "Reusing this file." Thanks. —Justin (koavf)TCM☯ 17:48, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:06, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 117Avenue, 13 January 2011[edit]

{{edit protected}} In the source line, please replace the WP:CITE#IMAGE link with Wikipedia:Citing sources#Multimedia, as the former has become dead. Thanks, 117Avenue (talk) 00:35, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 16:36, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Non-portable template[edit]

{{Information}} uses HTML table code to conditionally display the "Other versions" table row. This makes the template non-portable to non-Wikimedia wikis that are not running HTML Tidy the same way as Wikipedia does. A portable version is at Wikipedia:WikiProject Transwiki/Template:Information. See also:

--Teratornis (talk) 18:48, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Not seeing Template:Information on Commons-hosted images[edit]

For whatever reason, this template (and, actually, all other templates) aren't showing up on the local pages of Commons-hosted images (ie, most free images - see here, for example). At the same time, the template is viewable on Commons-hosted images on their Commons pages (see here), as well as English Wikipedia-hosted images (ie, fair use images, free files that haven't been migrated to Commons - see here). I doubt this is exactly the right place to ask about this, but does anyone have any idea where and why the templates have gone, or, if not, where else to ask about this? I'll try the Village Pump too, I suppose... Anyhow, thanks! BobAmnertiopsisChatMe! 19:53, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Edit Request[edit]

Please consider changing the recomended notifcation for missing authorship to use {{add-author-I}} instead of {{add-desc-I}} as the former was worded to be more specific. Thank you Sfan00 IMG

(talk) 13:41, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Ammended Sfan00 IMG (talk) 08:18, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
Rationale for above request, is that it allows a more targeted notification to be sent to users, and could also be used as a way of encouraging upoloaders to add sourcing/authourship in less agressive manner than CSD for no-source. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 08:18, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
Added a couple of civilities, you seemed to forget. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:51, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
Thanks :) Sfan00 IMG (talk) 08:16, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done. For future info, this actually involved a change to Template:Description missing not this one. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:45, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

License tag goes where?[edit]

The doc does not make it clear to editors exactly where to insert the license tag. I think the intention is to use the general form of |Permission={{PD-US}} but that's only after quite a bit of guesswork. Can we please clear this up? LeadSongDog come howl! 19:39, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

I think a template from Category:Wikipedia image copyright templates is placed on the file's page. The confusion may arise from the difference between this template and Commons:Template:Information. Senator2029talk 18:49, 3 December 2011 (UTC) SENATOR2029 talk 22:21, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Citing sources#Multimedia[edit]

I can't find in Wikipedia:Citing sources neither any section with this title nor any information about how to cite sources in image's page. Please remove the wikilink (or at least that part '#Multimedia'). --Z 09:28, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 23 October 2012[edit]

Can someone please add a new field to the template

{{#if:{{{Additional information|{{{additional_information|}}}}}} | {{{Additional information|{{{additional_information}}}}}}

This field is intended to hold additional information relevant to the file that doesn't fit elsewhere. Please see also Wikipedia:Non-free content review#File:LewisAsTheTyro.jpg for where this is coming from. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlkctb) 19:34, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Not done for now: Sorry for the long delay in getting back to you about this. I'm not quite sure where you want the new code to go - perhaps you could work up a version quickly in the sandbox? This template has more than 100,000 transclusions, so I want to get it right first time if possible. Best — Mr. Stradivarius (have a chat) 11:33, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
I placed the field in the sandbox version. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlkctb) 12:35, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
Ok, I've made some fixes to the sandbox version. You can see the results at Template:Information/testcases - was this the effect that you had in mind? Let me know if there are any issues with wording or the placement of the section, etc., and I'll fix them before putting the code up live. Best — Mr. Stradivarius (have a chat) 13:35, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
Looks good to me. The main thing that came up during the discussion at WP:NFCR was that it would good to have a field that can hold information that is relevant to determining a files copyright status so that later it can be seen why some file was tagged as public domain or non-free or similar information in order to avoid bringing up the same stuff over and over again. Thanks very much for implementing this edit request. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlkctb) 17:35, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
Done Ok, it's up live. Could you update the documentation? Thanks — Mr. Stradivarius (have a chat) 21:58, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
Done. Best. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlkctb) 18:45, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Navbox version[edit]

Hello – Here's a {{Navbox}} version of this template that duplicates the current version except for:

  • setting the same vertical alignment for the "Description", "Source", "Date" etc headers (groupnames) and their contents (lists);
  • using italics to display the two default messages.

Any objection to my requesting that this version becomes the main template? Sardanaphalus (talk) 19:51, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 15 September 2014[edit]

Please replace the current version with this this version in the sandbox (current as of this message) per the above. Sardanaphalus (talk) 19:55, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Is the date field missing from the new version? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:25, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
  • No and yes; it's there, but, like "Other versions" and "Additional information", it wouldn't've appeared until given a value. I've now amended it so that it appears regardless (i.e. as in the current main template) and updated the sandbox link above. Thanks for flagging, Sardanaphalus (talk) 22:03, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 22:30, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

I doubt that this change was positive in terms of performance. Why transcluding an additional template? --Leyo 21:55, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

  • Which template do you mean..? Sardanaphalus (talk) 20:45, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
    Navbox. --Leyo 17:29, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
    • Ohh, you're thinking of the container, not something within. (I guess I was looking for some wood rather than considering the trees.) I suppose the same could be asked of any metatemplate – and if {{Navbox}}'s use was detrimental, I imagine it would've been amended or superseded before now. Regards, Sardanaphalus (talk) 18:58, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

This change broke compliance with the Commons machine-parsable metadata schema which requires the ids to be on the td/th element, not inside it. That in turn breaks the ability of tools like Media Viewer to display description and other data. --Tgr (WMF) (talk) 09:52, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

@Tgr (WMF): Although I am not a fan of MV, I guess that others are, so Yes check.svg Done Reverted. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:15, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
Thanks! (Commons' metadata standard is actually much, much older than MediaViewer and used by other tools as well, such as the PDF exporter.) --Tgr (WMF) (talk) 14:53, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit protected}} template. Has this been OK'd by Tgr (WMF) (talk · contribs)? --Redrose64 (talk) 13:25, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
That matches c:COM:MRD as far as I can tell. Thanks for amending! --Tgr (WMF) (talk) 22:00, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
@Sardanaphalus: I got your note. But the main template was amended recently; have these changes been incorporated into the sandbox? That is, if a straight copy from the sandbox is made, will there be a regression? --Redrose64 (talk) 13:02, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
Moved from User talk:Redrose64#Template:Information (2): Redrose64 (talk) 23:37, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

PS "Information" is surely too general a name for this template – do you think something like "File information" would be approved instead..? Sardanaphalus (talk) 23:16, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

The choice of template name was not my decision. If you want it changed, there is WP:RM: but I would guess that the intention is to use the same name as the equivalent template on commons - just as the template layout, ids and parameter names are supposed to be the same. Any change must be very carefully considered and not made unilaterally.
But I do not like the way that wholesale changes to the internals of this template have been incorporated into the proposed version when the intent is apparently cosmetic - to change some of the alignment and italicisation. All those additional comments and newlines make it very difficult to compare old with new; this is very much "change for the sake of it". --Redrose64 (talk) 23:37, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
  • Hope you are happy with this. Since producing the original amended version of the template, I've started making edits for the sake of code readability etc as separate from (and following) edits amending templates' actions etc.
The visible changes here are cosmetic, but, as your mention of alignment and italicisation indicates, very much not "change for the sake of it". Similarly, the motivation for the changes to the code layout/formatting was to reduce its otherwise monolithic, homogenous appearance.
As regards the template's name, I hadn't thought that it might've been your decision. I'd forgotten, though, the interwiki aspect.
Regards, Sardanaphalus (talk) 11:51, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
What if you provide the diff for the suggested change and an example (use case) with the current and with the suggested version? Tgr (WMF) would then need to have a look, too. --Leyo 14:14, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
Tgr (WMF) has indicated that the amended version looks compliant; a comparison between the sandbox and current versions is on the testcases page. Sardanaphalus (talk) 10:44, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
Tgr (WMF) (talk · contribs) indicated that the version as it stood at the time of his comment (which was 22:00, 9 October 2014) matched: and as I pointed out at 13:02, 30 October 2014, there have been subsequent changes, and I see no indication that Tgr (WMF) is also happy with those. I'm still unconvinced of the need to make cosmetic changes which will necessarily put over 150,000 pages into the job queue. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:14, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
Very well, I've left Tgr another message. As regards the job queue, give the updating prompted by changes to this template a low / the lowest priority..? Sardanaphalus (talk) 09:23, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
There is no means to prioritise individual jobs in the queue. The queue as a whole can be prioritised, but you need developer rights in order to do that. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:33, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
Still looks fine as far as the machine-readable data goes. Re: job queue, I think the standard advice applies - if you think those cosmetic changes are useful (I haven't looked at them), do them, the queue can handle it. --Tgr (WMF) (talk) 01:27, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for acknowledging again. I believe the changes are useful, so, hopefully, they may now be incorporated. Sardanaphalus (talk) 17:14, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

The above has now been pending for the best part of three months and has twice been endorsed by the third party (Tgr (WMF)) requested. Would someone now implement it, please? Sardanaphalus (talk) 01:26, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit protected}} template. Oppose using the requested replacement. I think that the middle alignment looks greatly out of place and the proposal doesn't address the lack of HTML5 compliance. — {{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 22:27, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
  1. "please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit protected}} template."
     Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not appropriate: please think for a moment before using the {{EP}} template. (What do you think all the above is about?)
  2. "the middle alignment looks greatly out of place"
     ...but, by opposing the above, you're happy to maintain the mismatch between the alignment of the current template's lefthand ("label") and righthand ("data") sides..?
  3. "and the proposal doesn't address the lack of HTML5 compliance."
     Is that so (despite, for instance, Tgr (WMF)'s endorsements)..? Wikipedia:So fix it, then, rather than just dismissing the request.
Sardanaphalus (talk) 17:24, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
  • There is still no consensus to implement this cosmetic change to this template and the cellpadding="2" is still not HTML5 compliant. Anyways, marking this request as done until there is a consensus, and since I'm not the only editor that disapproves, I'm not the only one you need to convince. Happy editing! — {{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 16:12, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
You need convincing that a consistent vertical-align across each row of this template – whether top, middle, bottom, subterranean, etc – is worthwhile..? And who else needs convincing – and about what exactly..? Sardanaphalus (talk) 22:42, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
  • There are objections to the change in this discussion. I am declining the edit-request. Please resubmit once there is consensus for the change. ☺ · Salvidrim! ·  19:40, 13 December 2014 (UTC)