Template talk:Largest Israeli cities

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Jerusalem not all[edit]

Well, only West-Jerusalem (nicey defined it is), is Israel. The rest is not Israel. So: it is not correct to claim that "Jerusalem Israeli city" has 500.000+ inhabitants. As for the Israel city, that is perfectly defined: "West-Jerusasem", about 200.000. Claiming non-Israel area (inhabitants) would be politicts. -DePiep (talk) 22:48, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

OK, you're clearly obsessed with this subject, and I think we all know why. I won't bother anymore. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.117.113.141 (talk) 05:44, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 29 November 2012[edit]

79.108.250.119 (talk) 08:13, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed.

move page[edit]

The page should be moved to Largest cities of Israel as per rest of the world standard. --Shuki (talk) 00:43, 30 November 2012 (UTC)


Jerusalem[edit]

(moved to bottom of page) -DePiep (talk) 16:58, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

I would like to note the following facts:

  1. Jerusalem in its entirety was not included in the Jewish State in the UN decision on the division of Palestine.
  2. Accordingly, Jerusalem in its entirety to this date is not recognized by the United States as part of Israel.
  3. The same is of course true about many other countries that do not recognize Jerusalem as part of Israel.
  4. Jerusalem is controlled by Israel. The police in all of jerusalem (east and west, except on the outskirts outside the wall) is the Israel police. The law that governs in all of Jerusalem is the law of the state of Israel.
  5. The arabs living in east Jerusalem operate under the Israel law, including the reception of social security payments and health care. Thousands of arabs who are living in East Jerusalem have become Israeli citizens based on their residence in east Jerusalem.

Jerusalem is not the only city which is disputed. There are many other cities in the world, which are under dispute. Jerusalem should be handled in the same way these are handled. עדירל (talk) 15:36, 23 December 2012 (UTC) (Adiral)

I note, for example, Template:Largest cities of Moldova, which lists the disputed city Tiraspol. עדירל (talk) 15:39, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
List of Israeli cities lists "cities in Israel, the Golan Heights, and Israeli-administered cities in the West Bank", this template should follow suit. By that standard Jerusalem should be included. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 06:33, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
No, the other way around. The list is wrong. Cities that are not in Israel are not Israeli cities.
That would depend on what "Israeli cities" means in context. For example is Ariel an Israeli or Palestinian city? That depends on what you mean by "Israeli city" and "Palestinian city". That the list includes cities outside of internationally registered Israel is the reason that it's titled "List of Israeli cities" instead of "List of cities in Israel". Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 12:03, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
No context needed. Moskou is not an Israeli city. Ariel is not an Israeli city. -DePiep (talk) 13:19, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
So Ariel is a Palestinian city then, I really think that whether or not that were true would depend on the context. The long standing conciseness is that Golan Heights, and Israeli-administered west bank cities are Israeli cities. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 14:14, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
We don't need to know what kind city Ariel is. We already know it is not Israeli, so it should not be in any such list. There is nothing more to it. -DePiep (talk) 14:20, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
(edit conflict)Is there any reason for this template to differ from List of Israeli cities in what it defines as "Israeli cities", to differ from the "parent" page would be confusing. I should note that other then Jerusalem there are no Israeli-admin. West Bank cities with a 50,000+ population. 14:28, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
re Is there any reason ...: yes there is. The factual reason is that "Jerusalem" is not Israeli. Whatever your internal WP-link says (that is called WP:OR). -DePiep (talk) 19:35, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
That's not a reason to treat this template differently then it's parent, List of Israeli cities. Get Jerusalem removed from the main article and the template should follow suet. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 19:44, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
What parent you keep mentioning? The template stands on its own. Of course we at WP cannot decide otherwise. Jee: OR I said. -DePiep (talk) 19:54, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
List of Israeli cities is that parent. Get Jerusalem replaced by "Jerusalem (West)" or West Jerusalem, and get it's population figure changed to match the "200,000 – 499,999" here and this template can follow the parent article's suet. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 20:06, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
This template is self-standing. There is no parent directing us (I think you got my point but you decided to play dumb). Let me be clear: no Wikipedia article or page can decide what Jerusalem (or Moskov or Ariel) is. We only use sources. -DePiep (talk) 20:13, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
I think that your arguments are so week that you feel it necessary to assume bad faith and accuse people of having "decided to play dumb" to win the debate. Please be civil and no personal attacks. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 20:20, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
Also Ariel (city) calls it a "Israeli settlement" and "Municipality of Israel". Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 20:23, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
Nice try. Can you give the last diff you tried reasoning? -DePiep (talk) 20:25, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
So now I'm not reasoning, what did I just tell you about personal attacks? The main page for figuring out what would constitute "Israeli cities" is List of Israeli cities and unless there is some reason for this template to differ WP:LOCALCONSENSUS here can not override that. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 20:44, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
Yes (minor point): I said like you are smart, but .... You took it as an insult. Your choice. -DePiep (talk) 21:07, 5 January 2013 (UTC)