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List of cities[edit]

If you are dissatisfied with the list of cities, please add or remove individual cities, not the entire list. I included the list based on what I saw on other state templates (notably California, New York, and Michigan).

For now, I have decided to use the original listing (with the addition of Lawrence). This was before I had decided to add more cities (based on the list from the Massachusetts article, which didn't have a set criteria).Pentawing 04:24, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

This template is a beast[edit]

This template is just huge and unwieldy, and I think it needs to be chopped down to size, though I'm loathe to do unilaterally. Does it make sense to have a smaller, general Mass template with just the the main article, Boston, and a few other things, and then have seperate templates for Mass cities, Mass counties, and Mass towns? I think it would improve the visual look of the Mass articles. For an example of what I'm talking about look at the Template:Texas and Template talk:Texas. Comments? Friejose 21:32, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

That'd be great. When I started adding the towns, I noticed it becoming larger and larger, but I didn't want to split it since I didn't originate the template. At the same time, being from a town, I didn't want to remove the towns. [halo] Any way you'd like to split it is fine by me, but that's just one man's opinion. Sahasrahla 04:06, August 22, 2005 (UTC)
I was bold and removed the town list. It's not that I don't want the list, it's just that it's huge and unmanageable. If someone wants to create the List of towns in Massachusetts and add a link to it in the template, I think that would be fine. -Harmil 11:32, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
It's definitely huge, but hardly unmanageable (although, we'll note that I've yet to finish the list...). I agree that it needed to be removed, and will eventually create a template for it. Sahasrahla 14:08, August 22, 2005 (UTC)
Why a template, and not an article? Lists are common enough, and a list of towns could even include Census Designated Places and major locations like Round Hill, Massachusetts, just to pick on one I care about. That way, you could just have a link to the town list in this template. Nice and clean, and less text pulled into each article.... -Harmil 14:45, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Okay, I created a List of towns in Massachusetts article. It's far from done, but its a start. I'm going to add a link to the list in the template. Friejose 14:48, 22 August 2005 (UTC) I feel that the list of towns should exist but the all 301 towns should be listed on the template. This although making the template very large it makes it an easier system to used. I sugesst that the template page be put back in vcelloho 14:57, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

List of regions[edit]

I think Markles has made a good start as to regions. I think we don't need to, and shouldn't, try to conform the regions listed to some external list, like Census-delimited areas or something. One of the things that makes Mass. different and unique is that it has historical regions that are more meaningful than counties, or other types of artifical subdivisions. Perhaps one additional area that could be added is the Blackstone Valley, although the article needs to be written first. — Friejose 12:51, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

I think that we also need to include the Quabbin Valley. I'll bang out a quick article. Dunkelza 13:59 September 11, 2005 (EDT)

I made a comment on a Category talk page, that nobody would see, so I'm probably better off repeating it here:

I don't know if anybody actually watches this category, so I might be talking to nobody, but the list here, although I like it, doesn't align with anything official I know of. If we were to do that (as I believe New Hampshire has), we could go by the list at Massachusetts Office of Travel and Tourism:

  • Western Massachusetts
    • Greater Springfield
    • Franklin County
    • The Berkshires
    • Mohawk Trail
  • Central Massachusetts
  • North of Boston and Greater Merrimack Valley
    • North of Boston
    • Greater Merrimack Valley
  • Greater Boston
  • South of Boston
    • Southeastern Massachusetts
    • Plymouth County
  • Cape Cod, Martha's Vinyard, and Nantucket Island
    • Cape Cod
    • Martha's Vineyard
    • Nantucket Island
Thoughts? Thanks, CSZero (talk) 20:24, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Color of first column[edit]

I've just reverted pentawing's edit to remove the colors from the first column of the template. I did so, not to edit war with P., but because I'd like to see some discussion first. There are many different approaches. Template:California Has a striped look. Template:New York goes the way that P. was suggesting. And, of course the original version that I reverted to has a side-bar like look. The reason that I like this version is that it gives some visual isolation to the content of the template, while offsetting the grid. I really don't like tables with grids in them, but at least suggesting the grid seems to help the eye follow what's going on. The California version does this even moreso, but I think it goes overboard and ends up looking like old greenbar. -Harmil 02:46, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

I'm with Harmil on this, and I was the user who added the color to the sidebar originally. I just think it cleanly separates the relevant info from the descriptive headers without being visually distracting (as I think Cal's template is). On the other hand, it's not worth getting into an edit war over, so I defer to the group's judgment. – Friejose 13:00, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
In terms of the background color in the first column, I just found out that the Florida template does the same so I won't revert again. On the otherhand, the style that I tried to revert to is used at other state templates (e.g. all other New England states and Washington, which was the style I converted the entire Massachusetts template to in the first place. The MA template was once in the other dominant style, such as the one used for Michigan). Anyways, I would like to see a standard style used for most state templates, so that was what I was trying to get at recently, instead of each state having its own individually styled template. Pentawing 22:30, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

U.S. state templates[edit]

Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. states/state templates lists and displays all 50 U.S. state (and additional other) templates. It potentially can be used for ideas and standardization. //MrD9 07:20, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Standardization of state templates[edit]

There is currently an ongoing discussion regarding standardization of state templates (primarily regarding layout and styling) at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject U.S. states/state templates. An effort was made earlier this year to standardize Canadian province templates (which mostly succeeded). Lovelac7 and I have already begun standardizing all state templates. If you have any concerns, they should be directed toward the discussion page for state template standardization. Thanks! — Webdinger BLAH | SZ 22:50, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Towns[edit]

I continue to maintain that listing towns as a "topic" is insufficient. Perhaps we should reconsider listing all the towns. See Template:New Hampshire. Sahasrahla 19:28, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Complete?[edit]

I don't think the list of cities is complete. What about Canton? –Llama man 23:40, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Never mind, it's a town. –Llama man 23:43, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

South Coast and South Shore[edit]

I have deleted the South Coast and South Shore links with Southeatstern Massachusetts. The Southeastern Massachusetts definition encompasses those two areas and paints a better picture of Southeastern Massachusetts as a whole (excluding Cape Cod). I did that to make this template less "beast," in response to user Friejose. Please try the Southeastern Massachusetts link, I think you'll enjoy it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.162.211.197 (talk)

(An aside: Please sign your posts with four tildes, i.e. ~~~~.)
I'd rather see "South Shore" and "South Coast" back in, in addition to Southeastern Mass. Both terms are widely used. If you asked the average Massachusetts person to make a list of geographic regions that comprise the state, both would be on the list. "Southeastern Massachusetts" doesn't encompass "South Shore" and "South Coast" any more than listing Suffolk County encompasses (and obviates the need to list) Boston. My two cents. ``` W i k i W i s t a h ``` 20:01, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
One more thing: It's also worth noting that Southeastern Massachusetts is usually defined as being outside Greater Boston -- that is, not including the close-in suburbs (our definition says it extends into Norfolk County only as far as the Rhode Island border towns). This leaves out a substantial amount of what is often called South Shore, such as Quincy, Holbrook, Cohassett, etc. ``` W i k i W i s t a h ``` 20:11, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

List of cities by official name[edit]

Resolved: Sswonk (talk) 18:04, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

In the interest of clarity, I have edited the template list of cities to include only those which actually call themselves cities on their website, and am providing the following table with references that clearly point out what the disposition of the official name is. Please read the explanation following the table before reverting this change.

List of Massachusetts locations using city form of government
Location Official name Web reference
Agawam Town of Agawam http://www.agawam.ma.us/
Amesbury Town of Amesbury http://www.ci.amesbury.ma.us/
Attleboro City of Attleboro http://www.cityofattleboro.us/
Barnstable Town of Barnstable http://www.town.barnstable.ma.us/
Beverly City of Beverly http://www.beverlyma.gov/Public_Documents/index
Boston City of Boston http://www.cityofboston.gov/
Braintree Town of Braintree http://www.townofbraintreegov.org/
Brockton City of Brockton http://www.brockton.ma.us/
Cambridge City of Cambridge http://www.cambridgema.gov/
Chelsea City of Chelsea http://www.ci.chelsea.ma.us/Public_Documents/index
Chicopee City of Chicopee http://www.chicopeema.gov/
Easthampton City of Easthampton http://www.easthampton.org/
Everett City of Everett http://www.ci.everett.ma.us/
Fall River City of Fall River http://www.fallriverma.org/
Fitchburg City of Fitchburg http://www.ci.fitchburg.ma.us/
Franklin Town of Franklin http://franklinma.virtualtownhall.net/Pages/index
Gardner City of Gardner http://www.gardner-ma.gov/
Gloucester City of Gloucester http://www.ci.gloucester.ma.us/
Greenfield City of Greenfield http://www.cityofgreenfield.org/survey/home.php
Haverhill City of Haverhill http://www.ci.haverhill.ma.us/
Holyoke City of Holyoke http://www.holyoke.org/
Lawrence City of Lawrence http://www.cityoflawrence.com/Pages/index
Leominster City of Leominster http://www.leominster-ma.gov/
Lowell City of Lowell http://www.lowellma.gov/
Lynn City of Lynn http://www.ci.lynn.ma.us/
Malden City of Malden http://www.ci.malden.ma.us/
Marlborough City of Marlborough http://www.marlborough-ma.gov/gen/index
Medford City of Medford http://www.medford.org/Pages/index
Melrose City of Melrose http://www.cityofmelrose.org/
Methuen City of Methuen http://www.ci.methuen.ma.us/
New Bedford City of New Bedford http://www.newbedford-ma.gov/
Newburyport City of Newburyport http://www.cityofnewburyport.com/
Newton City of Newton http://www.ci.newton.ma.us/
North Adams City of North Adams http://www.northadams-ma.gov/
Northampton City of Northampton http://www.northamptonma.gov/
Palmer Town of Palmer http://www.townofpalmer.com/pages/PalmerMA_Manager/townreports/FY08TownReport.pdf
Peabody City of Peabody http://www.peabody-ma.gov/
Pittsfield City of Pittsfield http://www.pittsfield-ma.org/
Quincy City of Quincy http://www.ci.quincy.ma.us/
Revere City of Revere http://www.revere.org/
Salem City of Salem http://www.salem.com/Pages/index
Somerville City of Somerville http://www.somervillema.gov/
Southbridge Town of Southbridge http://www.ci.southbridge.ma.us/
Springfield City of Springfield http://www.springfieldcityhall.com/COS/index.php
Taunton City of Taunton http://www.taunton-ma.gov/Pages/index
Waltham City of Waltham http://www.city.waltham.ma.us/
Watertown Town of Watertown http://www.watertown-ma.gov/index.asp?nid=24
Westfield City of Westfield http://www.cityofwestfield.org/home.html
West Springfield Town of West Springfield http://www.west-springfield.ma.us/public_documents/WSpringfieldMA_Minutes/I021EDACD
Weymouth Town of Weymouth http://www.weymouth.ma.us/clerk/index.asp
Winthrop Town of Winthrop http://www.town.winthrop.ma.us/Pages/index
Woburn City of Woburn http://www.cityofwoburn.com/
Worcester City of Worcester http://www.ci.worcester.ma.us/

The above list shows the 53 government divisions of the Commonwealth which have been officially granted the right to use the city form of government. My source for the table is the Massachusetts Municipal Association 2008-2009 Municipal Directory. This list is not an official state document, but it is much more up to date and accurate than the "offical" list from the Secretary of State's office, which is dated 10-21-2005 and does not include Braintree, Palmer and Winthrop, which have since adopted the city form of government.

The web references listed above each clearly indicate the official name each location uses. In nearly every case the name is confirmed by the banner at the top of the official website. In those where it is not indicated in the banner, it is shown on the page in the title bar, page footer, in the page text or in the case of Palmer by the PDF of the most recent town report. I only eliminated those towns for which no evidence exists that they are officially using the prefix "City of" before the location name.

I looked into these sources before I made this edit because I wondered why Weymouth was listed as a city but Braintree was not. In light of the evidence and in the interest of keeping the list as compact yet as accurate as possible, to use the name officially used by the location in question is the best solution to listing these cities in the template. Sswonk (talk) 19:41, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

  • I suggest we include municipalities which are cities regardless of what they call themselves.—Markles 19:44, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
By 'are', do you mean by the form of government, which would be the 53 listed in the table? I would not really object, except that there are multiple places within the project which blur the distinction. Some articles (including lists) state something like "there are 301 towns and 50 cities". Those would then need to be updated to reflect your proposed addition of Braintree, Palmer and Winthrop to the template. Sswonk (talk) 21:12, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
    • Yes, I suggest we follow the legal model instead of the title model. Mostly because it's a clear-cut distinction. Then I suppose we should say there are 298 towns and 53 cities. —Markles 21:36, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
OK, I changed the template to list the 53 cities as defined by their forms of government. I will also change the lists and definitions within Massachusetts articles I find to reflect the official status. I will leave a brief note about this change on the WP:MASS project talk page. Sswonk (talk) 23:27, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

white on dark blue[edit]

Is there a particular reason why this template is white on dark blue? I understand the general idea is to try to match the flag, but it is a bit hard to read. Wouldn't it be better to just go with the default used by {{navbox}} to avoid having a rainbow at the bottom of the page when this navbox is next to another one and per WP:ACCESSIBILITY? Please let me know if there is a strong reason to have it a particular color. I noticed this was attempted recently, but was reverted, so I thought I would be proactive and start a thread here to avoid an edit war. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 21:40, 19 December 2010 (UTC)