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Eponymous signs[edit]

Is there a basis for separating signs on two templates, one for eponymous signs and another for signs not named after people? This may hinder navigation and my feeling is that they should be merged at some point, I doubt readers/editors get a benefit for having signs and symptoms divided in two templates for each specialty. --Tilifa Ocaufa (talk) 06:21, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Tilifa Ocaufa thanks for bringing this up. I agree that this is an arbitrary separation, and I think we should merge them. I think there may also be some users who agree with us, I remember a conversation somewhere on WPMED.
Some categories don't actually have a normal 'signs and symptoms' template, they just have an 'eponymous' one. Should we start by moving those? --Tom (LT) (talk) 09:10, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
Absolutely, they should be the easiest to move. I'm still somewhat unfamiliar with the template move proposal process (it looks more complicated than moving articles), so expect me working more on the actual moving/merging if there is consensus to do that. What is the next step now, bringing this up on WP:MED or starting a move request? --Tilifa Ocaufa (talk) 16:48, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
Which templates are we talking about? -DePiep (talk) 19:16, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
Templates like this one {{Eponymous medical signs for nervous system}}. About 2/3 of our templates have these 'eponymous signs and symptoms for [a] system' templates --Tom (LT) (talk) 23:07, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
@Tilifa Ocaufa it strikes me that most of the eponymous templates are for signs whereas the other templates are for symptoms. Perhaps we'd be better off just creating a 'symptoms' and 'signs' template for each system? It seems a more logical division than currently. --Tom (LT) (talk) 07:17, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
(Sorry for the late reply.) Eponymous signs templates are restricted to signs by definition, but '(general) symptoms and signs' templates include both. Separating signs and symptoms in two different templates is much more logical, but I'm afraid that (at least where I live) most people not involved in healthcare don't know the difference between signs and symptoms. I think there is a benefit in having both together and the merging process shouldn't be very time consuming, there aren't too many of these templates. --Tilifa Ocaufa (talk) 23:09, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
@Tilifa Ocaufa update:
{{Obstetric signs and symptoms}} moved from Eponymous signs and symptoms (or something like that)
Merge proposed between {{Eponymous medical signs for urinary system}} and {{Urinary system symptoms and signs}}
Please have a look at the list of templates and we can work through any more articles. Unfortunately my internet is still very slow but by next week I'll be able to help out more. --Tom (LT) (talk) 03:46, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

new Category:Medicine navs templates[edit]

I have created Category:Medicine navs templates as a central point for all (see its subcategories). Former category Category:Pages that use a Medicine navs subtemplate now is abandoned. -DePiep (talk) 17:42, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks DePiep, these categories are very useful. --Tom (LT) (talk) 07:17, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
Since there are much changes since 30 December, and when issue of {{Enzyme navs}} is solved (in or out of Med navs?), we could make another cross check list: "template A uses template B, but B does not mention template A". -DePiep (talk) 20:48, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
How about in a few months? I am not feeling up to another such mammoth endeavour at the moment! --Tom (LT) (talk) 02:45, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
A year then. Me too. -DePiep (talk) 07:39, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
Hey. We cover 28,000 MED articles. -DePiep (talk) 21:00, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
Wow, that is a heck of a lot. --Tom (LT) (talk) 01:51, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
Yes great. So 41 MED navs are in used in 841 templates (see Category:Templates that use a Medicine navs subtemplate‎), and these are in 28,000 articles!
Allow me to say that today {{Enzyme navs}} is in dispute, up for improvement (seriously). I pushed it into this list, recently, but we should be careful. -DePiep (talk) 19:43, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Category:Articles that use a Medicine navs subtemplate[edit]

Category:Articles that use a Medicine navs subtemplate has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. (just notifying, NOT nominated by me): -DePiep (talk) 00:36, 29 April 2015 (UTC)