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Constant changes of vehicle class[edit]

I am only changing the template to match what the pages say. To anyone reading this, one of two things needs to happen: this page needs to be left be, or the pages of the respective cars need to be altered to match the car classes that are being implied here. Bookster451 (talk) 21:38, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

RE: Constant change of vehicle class[edit]

The problem lies with the Maxima, Sentra, and Versa themselves. In terms of the interior volume, the Maxima cannot be classified as a full-size car, in which the same goes with the Versa being a compact (when it shouldn't), and the Sentra being a mid-size (which also shouldn't). However, if the definitions of full-size, mid-size, compact, or sub-compact are based on exterior dimensions or interior dimensions alone, then it must be stated, and must be reviewed. The Altima itself, when comparing its combined passenger/cargo interior volume with the Maxima, is definitely larger. However, Nissan considers the Altima a step below the Maxima, making it a mid-size car itself already, ever since the 3rd Generation Altima was released in the 2002 model year. From that point in time, it pushed the Maxima into an unusual position, making Nissan classify the car as a premium mid-size (or entry-level luxury) sedan.

The same will go with the Sentra. Again, the B16 Sentra (2007 - 2012), is classified as, according to the EPA, a mid-size car, despite it having a smaller wheelbase of a compact car (which the Sentra competes in anyway), while having the very bare minimum interior specifications of a mid-size car. Other regions where the B16 is sold classify the car as a compact.

It's difficult and frustrating enough already to classify these Nissan cars alone, as the dimensions of each respective cars pushes the boundaries of what classify those cars, despite the fact on how Nissan markets their cars in each of their respective classes that they're supposed to compete in. For all intents and purposes, and from the current state of the page itself, the Maxima cannot be a full-sized car, the Sentra cannot be a mid-sized car, and the Versa cannot be a compact. Each of these cars need to be stepped down a class, despite the contrary. The reason for that is to look at their engine options, and use their engines as a metric to compare the cars that they're supposed to compete against. For example, the Sentra is supposed to compete against the Chevy Cruze, Ford Focus, Toyota Corolla, and Dodge Dart to just to name a few, not compete against the Hyundai Sonata, Chevy Malibu, Ford Fusion, etc.

As difficult as it is to classify the Maxima, I will not classify the car, just for argument's sake. The Maxima is supposed to compete against the, Acura TL, Lexus ES, Audi A4, Volkswagen CC, and Volvo S60. The Versa itself is supposed to compete with the Honda Fit, Toyota Yaris,

With that said, each of the cars respective wiki pages will have to be clarified and reviewed in order for this page to really work. Although I can see this whole situation as an internal classification for Nissan, but again, I'd say classify the cars to what they're marketed, and what they're supposed to be competing in, which is why you can see the Altima Coupe was developed to fill in a gap to a market, despite its dimensions in comparison to the car in its particular class that it replaced from many years before (the 200SX/240SX). Barkeep2009 (talk) 03:04, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

I agree that they should be classified how they are marketed rather than strictly going by EPA classifications, but many people find referencing the EPA to be easier. That does confuse people into thinking, for example, the Sentra and Altima are in the same size class, when clearly they're not. I would suggest finding references from car review websites and magazines instead, where they discuss the car class relative to the car's competition and the other models in the brand. I'm not sure if the Maxima should be mid-size or full-size, but I believe it competes more with the Toyota Avalon, Chevy Impala, Ford Taurus, and Chrysler 300 - all full-size models - than the Acura, Lexus, Audi, etc.. that's more Infiniti's competition. --Vossanova o< 16:30, 28 January 2013 (UTC)