Template talk:Nine Inch Nails

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Template update[edit]

I revamped the template style to make it a bit less obtrusive and monolitic at the bottom of pages. I based the redesign off of Template:Radiohead. I kept all the links intact with the exception of some of the "related articles," of which I removed some of the more superfluous ones; e.g., Flood, who only produced one album; Phantasy, where NIN once rehersed back in Ohio; the non-official/non-NIN recordings (bootlegs and remixes) which can be found on the discography, etc. - Rynne 14:30, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

added tnavbar. Naufana : talk 05:09, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

I updated all formatting and styles to comply with Template:Navbox musical artist as part of WikiProject Musicians Tabanger  01:11, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Is there consensus for this specific look, with the big dots? –Pomte 01:27, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
Yes, please read the aforementioned Template:Navbox musical artist. This is the standardized template, as part of WikiProject Musicians.  Tabanger  19:34, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
It was one particular person's idea to use this specific style. If you look at that template's talk page, I'm the only one who brought up any (now outdated) problems. I'm not necessarily opposing this, just wondering, and there was an inconclusive discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Musicians#Band-specific templates out of hand?. –Pomte 22:07, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
I see. Well, I just used what I found in the links at WikiProject Musicians. His template is published and yours isn't. I didn't see your comments or sample template on the Talk pages. If you feel strongly enough about it, push the changes through. This, obviously, is not the correct venue to have that discussion.  Tabanger  02:01, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Lee Mars[edit]

Is he really a necessary inclusion? I don't think it's right to include a link on this widely-accessed template to a page that will in all likelihood never exist. I've never encountered anything on this guy except that he was 'fired' midway through the tour and nobody's heard from him since. BotleySmith 02:25, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

But hey, he toured witn the band for two years before Woolley came, maybe longer then Jeff Ward. Just write someting about him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.57.150.218 (talkcontribs)

Redlinks should not be added to templates. Once Lee Mars has an article, then he can be linked on the template.
It's not BotleySmith's, or anyone's, obligation to write an article for you. If you think there's enough information to write an encyclopedic article on Lee Mars, Wikipedia encourages you to contribute yourself. Laziness is no excuse, 86.57.150.218. -- Rynne 14:03, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
Mars did NOT tour with the band for two years, he was probably around them for less time than Alex Carapetis (who actually has done some notable stuff outside of NIN). See the NIN:Live article. BotleySmith 21:31, 30 October 2006 (UTC)


3/29/2007 - I just worked with Lee Mars on an awards show. He was mixing the front of house sound and although he was nice enough, he didn't do that great of a job.

hahahaha, that's awesome —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.21.88.167 (talk) 02:43, 3 May 2007 (UTC).

Subcategories of Releases[edit]

  • I propose splitting Major Releases in Discography up further into Major Studio Releases (5 of them), Remix Albums (3), and Live Releases (3). Are the numbers too few to warrant this?
  • Option 30 and Exotic Birds are more of a Trent thing than a NIN thing. Do they really belong in this template?
  • In order to avoid any confusion as to what the list of names represents, the 3 rows of musicians at the top could be labelled Frontman: Trent Reznor, Current Lineup: Aaron, Jeordie, etc, and Past Live Band Members: Richard Patrick, Jeff Ward, etc. Pomte 05:24, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
I agree with you on all counts. How should it be formatted, though? BotleySmith 06:58, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Like how it is now.. or else I don't know what you mean. Botley from ETS, right? I lurk there too often. Pomte 07:10, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
I don't know about a three-way split of Studio/Remix/Live albums, but I think that a "Studio Albums" (5) and "Remix and Live Albums" (6) would be large enough categories. I also like specifying the current and past live band members, but I don't think Reznor needs a clarifying label. Finally, I think Option 30 and Exotic Birds are fine as related links--I expect most people would be looking for them in relation to Reznor/NIN and having them on the NIN template seems imtuitive to me. -- Rynne 19:49, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Pigface[edit]

I just stumbled onto an article for Pigface. What caught my was that Trent Reznor was an early member, and that he rewrote "Suck" from the Pigface version. I think it might be relevant in the template, particularly in the Related Articles section. Any opinions?
--Drewcifer3000 04:13, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure Trent should be called a member (look how many "members" there are in the Pigface article). His answer in this interview (search "pigface") makes it sound like a one-day thing. NIN do play "Suck" at almost every show, but it's quite different than the Pigface version. Pomte 04:40, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
I agree with Pomte, it isn't relevant enough include on the NIN template. Trent *was* a member of Pigface (there's videos of him performing "Suck" with them on tour), but it's too brief of an involvement and too far outside the sphere of NIN to be put on the template. The links on the Trent Reznor article are adequate enough links to Pigface. -- rynne 04:05, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

The Limitless Potential[edit]

The Limitless Potential was added to related articles, and then reverted because NIN doesn't have involvement. But isn't the fact that it's a compilation of NIN remixes based on garageband files etc. released by Reznor notable enough for it's inclusion? Thoughts? -- Reaper X 23:13, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Oppose - Duh, I'm the one who's been reverting them. Here's my rationale for removing. NIN is not directly involved in this project. All the other related articles feature direct contribution or involvement of NIN/Reznor. He created Purest Feeling, the Broken movie, and the Year Zero ARG. He founded Nothing Records. He was a member of Option 30, Exotic Birds, and Tapeworm. Although he released the remix files, he (or NIN) is not directly involved in the creation of the site or any content on The Limitless Potential. It is entirely fan-owned and fan-created. Works based on material originally by Nine Inch Nails. If that's the criteria for inclusion in the Related Articles section, then why not ninremixes.com? Why not The String Quartet Tribute to Nine Inch Nails? How about Johnny Cash? The line needs to be drawn somewhere. --  Tabanger  07:56, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Oppose I agree with everything Tabanger said above. Not because the Limitless Potential isn't notable or worthy of inclusion, but we've gotta draw the line somewhere. Include Limitless Potential, and we've gotta include the String Quarter tribute, Johnny Case, Marilyn Manson, David Bowie, Saul Williams, Le Pig etc, etc, etc. Better to just avoid the slippery slope altogether. Drewcifer 11:33, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
Just a note -- I think it's kind of interesting that The Limitless Potential has been reviewed on The Onion AV Club as well as Metro (in the UK). However, Drewcifer makes a very good point: It is a slippery slope, with a lot of garbage at the bottom :p Leviathant (talk) 03:21, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Err, never mind. Can you tell I got here via Google, and didn't realize I was in the comments of the template, rather than the main article? Durr. TLP definitely doesn't belong here. Leviathant (talk) 03:22, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Addition of "The Innocent" & "Lucky Pierre" to related articles[edit]

I noticed the band "The Innocent" is also one of Trent Reznor's past bands, one he was in after Option 30 and before Exotic Birds, so I've added this to Related Articles, between Option 30 and Exotic Birds. I've alos added "Lucky Pierre", a project Reznor worked as a member with in 1988. Feel free to edit or delete what I put if you don't feel it's right. -- 16:23, 23 November 23 2007 (UTC)

Current live band members[edit]

I've placed Alessandro Cortini and Josh Freese back as current live band members based on information on the ninofficial YouTube channel, where Cortini and Fresse are listed along with Reznor as band members. The last login date to that page was one day before this edit (i.e., on March 29, 2008), making this the most up-to-date verifiable source for current live band membership. -- 98.204.40.124 (talk) 14:33, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Current and past live members[edit]

I just retooled the template so current and past live members have their own group listings. I hope no one objects but I really didn't like the way it was before. The spacing seemed... clunky. Naufana : talk 02:48, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Marilyn Manson[edit]

Why isn't Marilyn Manson under related bands? Last time I checked Reznor and Him had some history. I'm adding it. --KMFDM Fan (talk) 00:54, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Related Bands?[edit]

Why have so many bands been added to Related Bands? If bands such as modwheelmood are to be added (which comes under the category of 'bands featuring past NIN live members') then there are many others that should also be there, such as Tweaker, nearLY, Blindoldfreak, Jubilee etc and while you're at it why not Guns 'n' Roses, A Perfect Circle and DEVO? Personally I think the list should be shortened possibly to just bands Trent Reznor has featured in. Maybe Marilyn Manson and Saul Williams too. Not sure about those two though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.11.249.110 (talk) 00:01, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

I think APC should be added. Unlike any other band mentioned above, it had three NIN members as its members at some point. I think it's worth something, even if none of these members was Trent. Objections? -NineInchRuiner (talk) 08:54, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

why red?[edit]

what's the reason for the template to be red?  Rockk3r Spit it Out! 07:30, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Sorry. I was experimenting. And forgot to revert. The Most Angry Pissed off Gaming Nerd 20:55, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Notable songs?[edit]

The section currently lists only two songs, neither of which were singles. What exactly defines notability in this context?Sheepdean (talk) 14:20, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Still[edit]

I'm removing Still from "studio albums and EPs" section. First of all, nobody releases valid studio albums (SA) as "companion", "secret", "bonus" CDs to live albums. Secondly, only +/- half of it is composed of actual new material, the rest being reworks of previously released songs. Finally, no reliable sources say that it is a SA, for example "With Teeth" is always said to be NIN's fourth, "Hesitation Marks" eigth etc. - obviously nobody counts "Still" as a SA. 83.31.168.28 (talk) 14:02, 1 June 2014 (UTC)