Template talk:Oceania topic

Template name

Per here, would anyone object to this template being renamed {{Oceania topic}}, thereby leaving the of/in specified by its parameter (e.g. {{Oceania topic|Communications in}}, {{Oceania topic|Economy of}}, etc)...?  Regards, David Kernow (talk) 02:53, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

modify away... --Bob 00:11, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Categories

How is it decided which countries belong to which region? It's ridiculous to place Indonesia in Melanesia and New Zealand is more often regarded as part of Australasia. Anyway, the template is different to Template:Countries and territories of Oceania. StAnselm (talk) 22:59, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

- Indeed. Can someone (registered, as it's semi-locked) please put New Zealand into Australasia? Someone put it in Polynesia earlier, which is wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.97.214.170 (talk) 04:48, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Add to Polynesia

Could someone add the following list to Polynesia region (and include Hawaii list too?) with some minor but not otherwised listed airports List of airports in United States minor islands. Template looks too forbidding! NB: no pages written yet for Baker Island Airport, Jarvis Airport. Hugo999 (talk) 13:59, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

I think you might misunderstand the purpose of this template. The template takes a parameter such as "List of airports in" and generates a display containing "List of airports in Australia", "List of airports in Christmas Island" etc, all with country/territory names. It can't include airports which don't match the basic format, although you can create redirects where articles don't match the given naming pattern.

Were you asking for a similar template applying to islands of Polynesia, or for a custom template? It would not be appropriate to add minor islands to this template, since there would be very few articles on those islands matching the many topics this template is already used for.-gadfium 19:59, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

For most islands of Oceania you can get to any page via the main Oceania template, and to Airfields via the Airports of Oceania template (even to the Airfield on Pitcairn when/if it is built). But Wake Island and Johnston Atoll cannot be accessed this way, though as the only population is for any bases on them there are not many articles. I just think that you should be able to access the main and airport pages via the template; either by individual name or via a "US Minor Outlying Islands" page. Plus the other odd page eg on the extinct Wake Island Rail. Hugo999 (talk) 14:36, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

• NB: Midway is part of Hawaii, and Palmyra Atoll is part of the Line Islands (but not of Kiribati), so may have some links that way.

What you seem to be suggesting is to add United States Minor Outlying Islands to the template. I think this would fit better under Micronesia than Polynesia. However, adding territories which are not countries is likely to be controversial. I notice we do not list Hawaii, for example. We do list some territories such as Christmas Island.

I believe the appropriate place to discuss this is at Template talk:Countries and territories of Oceania. At the very least, if you wish to propose this addition, you should advertise this at that talk page, and also at Talk:Oceania.-gadfium 19:36, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Indonesia

Why is Indonesia no longer included on this navbox when a prefix is used? Articles like List of airlines of Indonesia should be linked from this navbox when corresponding prefixes are added. Neelix (talk) 21:14, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Kiritimati / Christmas Island

I do believe the link to Christmas Island ist wrong (Indian Ocean Australian Territory). Please link to Kiritimati. --Awilms (talk) 10:27, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

The template isn't supposed to be linking to individual islands within an Oceanic country, so a link to Kiritimati is not correct. However, I do not understand why it links to Christmas Island and Cocos (Keeling) Islands, which are Australian territories in the Indian Ocean. They appear to be well to the west of the Wallace Line which is one method of differentiating Melanesia from South East Asia.-gadfium 18:18, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

The Cocos (Keeling) Islands

Why the template includes The Cocos (Keeling) Islands??? -- Seulimeung (talk) 18:00, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Proposal for topic templates

A centralised proposal regarding the use of superscript notes in navigation boxes is under discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Countries. The disussion will affect this template. Nightw 12:05, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Changes

I made some different changes, will list.

1) Moved the Cook Islands and Niue from Sovereign states. Their status as sovereign states is debatable (for example, they have New Zealand citizenship).

2) Added Timor-Leste in brackets after East Timor. Noting official title with wikipedia one. Also for the adding of similar brackets containing Ivory Coast and Myanmar on others, as they are the three countries with name issues on wikipedia.

3) Moving integral areas of Chile and the United States into sovereign states section (such as Easter Island/Hawaii). They aren't dependencies, and so parts of the states were in Oceania. However, due to the generally accepted status of those countries in the Americas, added the Oceanian parts and wikilinked them (as this topic will then get the articles about the Oceanian parts).

4) Removed autonomies. Don't see the reason to list them all and clutter the topic, especially considering the differences between all the different levels of autonomy. Besides, they'd be included in the lists of the states they are in.

5) Added other territories which previously weren't included.

6) Dewikilinked territory. The wikilink led to a specific definition not covered in this template.

Ta, Chipmunkdavis (talk) 15:24, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

I agree that changes #'s 1, 2, and 4 are appropriate, but I have concerns about #'s 3, 5, and 6. With respect to #3, the integral areas of Chile and the United States are not dependencies, but they are territories. This problem is related to #6. The word "territories" should link to Territory (country subdivision), not Sovereign territory as it currently does. I do believe that the territories should be listed separately from the sovereign states, as occurs in the other continent template generators. As for #5, the additions do not appear to fit the usage of this template generator. Most of the templates created by this generator relate to people (ex. "Education in Oceania", "Transport in Oceania", "Music of Oceania"). Places like Kingman Reef and Jarvis Island don't have any inhabitants, so the corresponding links on the generated templates would forever be red. Neelix (talk) 15:12, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Okay, well.

3/6) The completely unreferenced Territory (country subdivision) seems to be about any sort of division of control by a sovereign state. It goes from Canadian territories to territories as Austrian Lander to occupied territories. It could be used to mean everything, so by itself isn't useful at all as a sorting criteria.

5) That makes sense for education etc., but what if it's used for something like "Geography of..."? I agree to your point about uninhabited, but perhaps there can be a way to have them while automatically hiding them, so they can be turned on using some code? The Sovereign states of Europe does something fancy with the UK countries. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 16:30, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

3/6) I am confused by your suggestion that Territory (country subdivision) is not a useful sorting criterion; the version of the template that you are advocating still maintains the territories as a sorting criterion, but simply moves them to the "sovereign states" section rather than the "dependencies and other territories" section. Surely "divisions of sovereign states not otherwise considered part of Oceania" (what is meant by "territory" in this context) is an appropriate grouping.

5) I would be glad to see the uninhabited areas included in the template only when specified; I do not, however, know how to make that happen. Feel free to institute that change if you are able to figure out the code. A simpler option would be to create hardcoded templates for the few exceptions for which the uninhabited areas would be included; I do not expect that many of these uninhabited areas will accrue a large number of related articles. Neelix (talk) 15:06, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

3/6) I didn't use that as a sorting criteria. I just took the integral smaller political units of sovereign states out of the dependencies and others section, into the sovereign states section. The USA and Chile are both sovereign states with territory in Oceania, however for the sake of getting lists in Oceania per the purpose of the template I only wikilinked the oceanian areas of the country.

5) Noted, will try figure it out. Perhaps in a perfect world they'd have articles... Chipmunkdavis (talk) 07:16, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

3/6) As Easter Island and Hawaii are not sovereign states in themselves but are rather part of larger sovereign states, would you find it acceptable to leave them in the second section? That is how the other continental template generators function. Neelix (talk) 22:54, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

It seems wrong, as it prima facie gives them the appearance of a similar position to dependencies (to me at least), which they are not, being fully integral. I also find it useful to note that the USA and Chile are states in Oceania, like Indonesia currently is despite unclear boundary. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 06:29, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Perhaps it would be best to discuss this particular point at a more centralized location as it pertains to all the continental template generators. How would you feel about drafting a proposal at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Geography? Neelix (talk) 14:58, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Noted. Reverted off the other generators I'd edited. Will notify when I get the proposal done (unless you have it watchlisted) Chipmunkdavis (talk) 15:25, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from , 18 November 2011

I want to edit the Temaplate which is named Football in Oceania, because I have some new referenced information ta add.(94.71.30.240 (talk) 12:51, 18 November 2011 (UTC))

94.71.30.240 (talk) 12:50, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Information should be added somewhere in Oceania#Sports. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 12:56, 18 November 2011 (UTC)