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Why is this navbox yellowish orange? It's using the same color as California, and clashes with the other navboxes at the bottom of the Omaha, Nebraska article. I attempted to match the colors, but my edits were reverted. Per BRD, please discuss here. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 13:59, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

There is no mandated, uniform color for templates in any city, and I created this template before California adopted the color for it's templates. Your opinion about it "clashing" is subjective; without an objective rule, I think it should stay yellow. • Freechildtalk 16:15, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
I disagree. Deviations from the default color should only exist if there is a reason for it. This template is placed at the bottom of several articles, including ones like Offutt Air Force Base and Omaha Public Schools. The orange color makes it unnecessarily stand out from the other navigation boxes at the bottom of the page. We shouldn't use colors just because the look pretty, but to convey some level of meaning. We don't need a rainbow at the bottom of the articles. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 17:17, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
And that's your subjective opinion. There needs to be a steadfast, objective rule that addresses this, or subjective perspectives will be the reign of the day. That isn't very encyclopedic, is it? • Freechildtalk 17:45, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
Yes, I believe that arbitrary coloring is not encyclopedic. I will request further comment. Plastikspork (talk) 19:11, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
I agree this should follow the standard coloring. Although I am not completely opposed to templates having color there are 2 things here that make me think that it should not be. 1st if Nebraska adopted a standard color then this template and others relating to Nebraska should follow it. 2nd, I also think that of all the colors to choose from orange is a bit strong. For people who are affected from color blindness this color may make the template hard to read. --Kumioko (talk) 19:33, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
Searchtool-80%.png Response to third opinion request:
There isn't a strong argument either way, and it doesn't strike me as an especially major issue to get worked up about. Having said that, unless there's a compelling reason otherwise, it would make sense if it matched the other Nebraskan templates, which currently use the default colour, so that would be my personal recommendation. It might be more useful to obtain input from the many editors at WP:Nebraska, who coordinate pages concerning this state, and may be able to make some more pertinent comments about why the default colour scheme was chosen (if, indeed, there is any reason).—Anaxial (talk) 19:55, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
I'm not sure either argument is particularly powerful, but if I have to choose between "the colors clash" and "there's no objective rule so I can do whatever I want", I will choose to support the "colors clash" argument, because at least it is an argument. If there is some compelling reason for this to stay bright orange, then please let the community hear it so that we may consider all sides with equally. Right now, I am only seeing one side that sounds valid. LonelyBeacon (talk) 21:49, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
Comment Not that it matters, but the claim that Freechild "created this template before California adopted the color for it's [sic] templates" appears to be false since (1) Freechild didn't create this template, (2) when Smmurphy created the template, it used "aaccff" and was quickly changed to "ccccff" here, which is the default color for navboxes, the color I am suggesting here, and the color used by the Nebraska templates, (3) the current color for the California template was added in this edit, which is about a year before it was added here with this edit. Again, this is somewhat unrelated, but thought the color history was interesting. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 22:38, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

The background colour of this particular template is unlikely to cause an accessibility problem per se. However, it is a bad idea to have a free-for-all with colours (or any other purely presentational element) because of the effort required to ensure that thousands of different objects meet our accessibility requirements. By keeping a "house" style across the encyclopedia – or at least within a project area – we dramatically reduce the housekeeping needed. Indeed, a new editor can normally use a default template, safe in the knowledge that it is accessible, without having to check its colours against recommendations for readability for example. You only have to look at Wikipedia:WikiProject Omaha#Infoboxes to see this one sticking out like a sore thumb. There really is no reason to be setting the titlestyle and belowstyle parameters for this template at all. --RexxS (talk) 02:30, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

I would say the default color should stand (on any horizontal navbox template) unless some not-completely-subjective/arbitrary argument can be made for another color; e.g. I would think the Californian template is colored gold-ish because California is "The Golden State". From what I can tell, Omaha's only emblem is uncolored, so it doesn't appear a similar argument can be made here. --Cybercobra (talk) 02:18, 13 April 2011 (UTC)