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Yes on box[edit]

The box is definitely the right way to go. Hang in there.Dave 17:36, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Larouche[edit]

I don't think it should be especially necessary to prove why Lyndon Larouche should have no place on this template, but here it goes: (1) He is separated by hundreds of years from the other individuals mentioned on this template; (2) not coincidentally, his thinking bears the imprint of innumerable influences posterior even to late Neoplatonism, from Leibnitz to Trotsky and from Jefferson to the Protocols of the Elders of Zion; and (3) he is not a particularly important philosopher. Larouche is not within Platonism, let alone a figure of stature within Platonism. Q·L·1968 17:26, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Nomination for merging of Template:Platonav[edit]

Nuvola apps important.svgTemplate:Platonav has been nominated for merging with Template:Platonism. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. RJC TalkContribs 23:39, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

The result of the discussion was Merge. --Salix (talk): 15:06, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
I've pasted in the content of the merged in template, in this revision and reverted to previous version. I'll leave the details of what needs to be merged to subject specialists.--Salix (talk): 15:11, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

POV and Duplicated information.[edit]

The current section "Works by Topic" seems to me to violate WP:NPOV. For example, to say that the Laws is on "nature and humanity" ignores those commentators who claim that it is the dialogue on religion. To say that the Timaeus and Critias are on "physics" and "Atlantis," respectively, ignores those who view them in the political context in which they are framed. I do not deny that sources can be adduced to support each of these identifications, but the existence of other mainstream interpretations means that the theses of these sources cannot be presented as fact without further ado.

There is also the fact that the articles on Plato's dialogues are navigable through Template:Dialogues of Plato and both that template and this one are in principle appropriate for the same pages (I prefer the layout of Dialogues of Plato for the dialogue pages). The same problem arises regarding the "Influences and Followers" section, which duplicates material found in Template:Infobox philosopher. I would chop both of these sections, or chop "Influences and Followers" and just have the dialogue names under a renamed section, "Works." RJC TalkContribs 14:43, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Changes to template[edit]

I have made the following changes to the template.

  • Removed "Immortality of the Soul," since this is not discussed in the target link.
  • Removed "Utopia (Callipolis)," since neither Utopia or Callipolis discuss Plato at length.
  • Removed section "Works by topic," for the reasons of POV and redundancy concerns noted above.
  • Removed section "Influences and Followers," for the redundancy concerns noted above.
  • Renamed "Platonic Christianity" to "Neoplatonism and Christianity," since that is the title of the target article and does not suggest that there actually is some compatibility between the two, merely that it is an issue that has been discussed.

RJC TalkContribs 17:35, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Template Width[edit]

Does anyone know how to adjust the width of this navbox? It almost always appears directly below {{Dialogues of Plato}}, and the different widths of the two leaves something to be desired aesthetically. RJC TalkContribs 14:30, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, well, this template uses Template:Sidebar with heading backgrounds which is itself a derivative of Template:Sidebar. Adjusting the default "style" parameter might work. I shall add a "|style = width:18.0em" to this template - see if that does the trick. Singinglemon (talk) 18:42, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
Thanks! Looks great. RJC TalkContribs 18:49, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Merge with Template:Dialogues of Plato?[edit]

Couldn't we pass a parameter to this template which, if present, causes the dialogues to be displayed? I'm sure that would look ...better? It would remove duplication of Plato's mug, and look more ...professional. --StephanNaro (talk) 14:29, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Having played with this idea a little bit here, I realise that I myself can't do this exactly as I would like, but maybe it's good enough? I have also come to the conclusion that the template may as well display the dialogues all the time, ie I there would be no need for the parameter. --StephanNaro (talk) 15:13, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
I've now taken inspiration from Template:Aristotelianism. This means that a parameter is no longer required. I've had to make the box a tad wider, 17em to 18em. Again, see my sandbox. --StephanNaro (talk) 16:46, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
Right. So I've rethought this, and returned to the basic idea as the template was, but inserting the dialogues as collapsible lists. There are some very minor style issues - two different bullet sizes, non-centred dialogues - but I consider them unimportant. In fact, I am going to be bold! :-) --StephanNaro (talk) 18:24, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
No fine. My last version reverts to using a parameter for optionally displaying the dialogues. (This removes any issues with styling.) And then I'm definitely going to be bold. --StephanNaro (talk) 19:17, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

I've updated all dialogues except those "Of doubtful authenticity". Don't know if they would be appropriate. --StephanNaro (talk) 20:31, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Links to Ship of State and Metaphor of the Sun?[edit]

In the Allegories and Metaphors section, the Ship of State and Metaphor of the Sun links are not working even though they appear to be coded correctly. Is there a mistake? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mercer.philosophy (talkcontribs) 03:05, 16 January 2014 (UTC)