Template talk:Sail Types
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I have been adding some info to the sailing articles, and ended up adding the nautical term martingale to the page martingale (fastener). Should that page be added to this template? Perhaps it should be spun off into its own article for expansion and added? --Fxer 16:07, August 30, 2005 (UTC)
- I'd say no, because it's really pretty obscure, and since you only find them on i) large boats with ii) a bowsprit, I suspect very few of our readers are going to run into them. I'd suggest we limit it to common things that all sailing vessels have.
- One idea though: we could link to Glossary of nautical terms from this template (if we don't already), and make sure it includes links to all the more obscure terms. Noel (talk) 21:06, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
In an attempt to control template bloat, my suggestion is to remove Stay mouse - it's so obscure, it's not worth including it. Sailing is full of all sorts of obsolete terms (like those little round wooden blocks used for mechanical advantage in tightening the shrouds of old sailing vessels, I'm drawing a blank on their name here momentarily), and we simply can't include them all. We should stick to the ones people are likely to run across in common usage. Noel (talk) 21:27, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
If this template is to be any use it needs to retain and glory in obsolete terms. The discussion above is amusing. has it paid any heed to the template itself:
"Course | Driver | Extra | Genoa | Gennaker | Jib | Lateen | Mainsail | Moonsail | Spanker | Spinnaker | Spritsail | Staysail | Studding | Tallboy | Topgallant | Topsail | Trysail"
Of those I see 12 out of 18, two thirds of the total, as not in common parlance. Keep the obsolete, glory in being encyclopaedic, and expand the terms. If you think it important enough subdivide the box into "current" and "obsolete"
Fiddle Faddle 12:15, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
- Well, some things are still used in the present, but I don't come across them much in the subset of sailing (monohull small-sport-boat racing) that I engage in... things like mizzen mainsails, staysails, and gybe-preventers come to mind. So if you're going to subdivide, does it have to be based on age and present usefulness? How about dividing on other criteria, like type of rig or type of boat? That way obsolete sails/rig could be grouped with the obsolete boats you find them on...
- Infinoid 17:39, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
Polynesian Sailing Rigs
There is a wiki page on Crab claw sails from Oceania, used there likely since long before Captain Cook was playing with toy boats on the sea shore. C. A. Marchaj includes study of them in at least one of his books (I only have his Aero-Hydrodynamics of Sailing but it's not handy to me at the moment). This sail configuration might be included in the template, especially since Marchaj's Sail Performance apparently rates them top in reaching and running performance (see the "Crab claw sail" article). Newportm (talk) 00:52, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
Cat boat vs. Cat rig
The section in the template is headed "rigs", so I think the appropriate link here is to the (admittedly bad) Cat rigged page. I'm not saying that a link to Catboat doesn't belong in this template somewhere, just not in the section labeled "rigs". Right? -- B.S. Lawrence (talk) 18:26, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
- The problem is that Cat boat and Cat rig overlap, but are not quite synonyms. The terms are often used in parallel. A cat rigged boat is a very different thing then the other "rigs." Trying to fit this into the mesh of little boxes on a shelf ain't easy. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 18:36, 23 January 2014 (UTC)