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Not yet in effect[edit]

Can we turn the greek letter into an asterisk instead..? Prcc27 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 22:11, 30 June 2014

In Venezuela the recognition of same sex couples not exist.[edit]

In Venezuela the recognition of same sex couples not exist. The information about of the state Mérida with the same sex couples is wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RJAJ55 (talkcontribs) 14:10, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

All sources I can find says Mérida recognises civil unions. Which one did I miss that says they are not? Kumorifox (talk) 02:57, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Alabama 2[edit]

Not sure what to do w AL. Technically legal, but apparently licenses are no longer being issued anywhere in the state. I added a fn; feel free to change. — kwami (talk) 20:22, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

I propose a move to "no longer performed but still recognized", barring clarification from either the state Supreme Court that the state must enforce the ban or from the federal court that the state Supreme Court is in flagrant violation of the supremacy clause and binding judicial precedent. -Kudzu1 (talk) 20:48, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
I disagree. This move by the AL Supreme Court is unconstitutional. Difbobatl (talk) 00:03, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
The sick thing is that a court order does actually only bind the plaintiffs and defendants. When you get to the nitty-gritty of it, the SCOAL is simply reinforcing the initial ruling, stating that Judge Granade's ruling is only binding for the plaintiffs who were part of the case. The ruling stopped short of saying SSM is legal in AL, and the SCOAL is taking this literally. The remaining states that had their bans struck did not go this far (aside from KS, of course) because they knew there would be further litigation involved if judges or clerks would hold out and refuse to issue. But AL has a history of making life difficult for people after court cases involving civil rights. Kumorifox (talk) 02:17, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
It probably is, and the other standing bans in other states and territories are probably unconstitutional as well -- but that is for a higher court to decide, not us as Wikipedians. As the state court ruling was silent on the point of recognition, I have moved Alabama to "recognized" for now. I wouldn't be surprised if some legal "clarification" (which may or may not actually clear up anything) comes down the pike in the near future, and we'll just have to deal with it when it does. -Kudzu1 (talk) 01:39, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
Or we can just keep misrepresenting the status of same-sex unions in Alabama. That's cool. -Kudzu1 (talk) 23:04, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
AL should be moved to "no longer performed" for the time being. Constitutional or not, the fact is that there are no marriages performed right now, so its position in the "performed" section is incorrect. Kumorifox (talk) 00:27, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
Until the conflicting rulings situation is settled, Alabama belongs in the recognition section with a footnote. Prcc27 (talk) 01:20, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
Recognition, yes; performed, no. I assume that is what you mean? Kumorifox (talk) 01:54, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done Kumorifox (talk) 02:53, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 March 2015[edit]

Add Slovenia. 82.132.218.75 (talk) 21:06, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

X mark.svg Not done The bill has not been signed yet, and the template rules state that, until a bill is signed or a judge has handed down a verdict, the template should remain as-is. Until the bill is signed, Slovenia should not be added. Kumorifox (talk) 21:18, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
Check the same-sex union legislation page, the President merely promulgates laws; it is published as an act of parliament. We should make the change now. Chase1493 (talk) 00:46, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

Sicily Italy[edit]

I think that Sicily should be marked in light blue. Although civil unions in other Italian regions are symbolical, Sicily is semi-autonomous region and recently approved civil unions:

http://livesicilia.it/2015/03/21/registro-delle-unioni-civili-sicilia-modello-per-litalia_608641/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.44.100.211 (talk) 14:17, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

Guam[edit]

Guam recognizes all marriages legally performed outside of the territory. See page 3 of this document, and this secondary source. Ron 1987 (talk) 00:15, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

I support Guam being in the recognition column. Prcc27 (talk) 06:46, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

British crown dependencies and overseas territories[edit]

Should we treat the crown dependencies and overseas territories as a part of the UK? Ron 1987 (talk) 02:57, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Just my opinion, but that might be confusing. The law which passed in the UK only applied to England and Wales. All of the rest of the UK, overseas territories and dependencies are having their own debates and discussions. In fact, though the law provided for a means to convert a civil union, if one resides in an overseas territory that does not allow equality, the only way to convert your union to marriage is to go to England and do it. Human Dignity Trust is currently involved in an inquiry as to why this is so, but it is at present the state of the situation. SusunW (talk) 03:34, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
If you're referring to my edit, I would say it only seems logical to list them as possessions of the UK. For a similar instance, take Greenland. It is autonomous over its own marriage and family law, but we still list it belonging to Denmark. Likewise, the crown dependencies (plus Gibraltar) have the most similar relationship to the UK as Greenland does to Denmark and thus should be formatted the same. I'm not trying to argue either way, just merely pointing out we should have consistency; which was the basis for my edit. Chase1493 (talk) 07:38, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Malta[edit]

Shouldn't Malta be removed from the recognition column per previous consensus and because there isn't a source that explicitly says Malta recognizes same-sex marriages? Prcc27 (talk) 01:43, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Under court order[edit]

I think it's important to list St. Louis as issuing under court order, because the other two jurisdictions are technically rogue! Prcc27 (talk) 19:45, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

We don't go into that degree of detail for other jurisdictions. Also, what were your reasons for removing AL? I don't see anything about AL stopping recognition of its own marriages in recent reports. — kwami (talk) 02:12, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
  • @Kwamikagami: There aren't any other rogue jurisdictions on this template. I'm against mentioning those two counties as it is, but if we're going to mention them- people should be aware that ssm might not technically be legal there. As for Alabama... I'm not sure what the status of same-sex recognition is there or how the ruling today affects it. Prcc27 (talk) 02:16, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
I kinda see your point, though the entire state of Kansas is rogue. Maybe we can get some feedback at the SSM in the US talk page?
No indication of change (for AL) means that we shouldn't change anything. Of course, if the claim wasn't justified in the first place (I don't know), that's another matter. — kwami (talk) 02:39, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
In a way, yes, all of Kansas is rogue with the exception of two counties. However, the judge that legalized same-sex marriage in Kansas has jurisdiction over the entire state of Kansas while the judge that legalized same-sex marriage in Missouri has jurisdiction over St. Louis only. So if a county follows the district court ruling in Kansas, they're not necessarily breaking the law because the ban was struck down, but they're not required to follow the ruling either. In Missouri however, the ban is intact everywhere but St. Louis. Prcc27 (talk) 02:49, 22 May 2015 (UTC)