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Not yet in effect[edit]

Can we turn the greek letter into an asterisk instead..? Prcc27 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 22:11, 30 June 2014


Aside from this ruling only being a preliminary injunction, the same-sex marriage performance part of this ruling is stayed indefinitely: "The Circuit Clerk of Hinds County shall continue to issue marriage licenses to opposite-sex applicants and only those applicants until further word from the United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit or the United States Supreme Court." Thus, same-sex marriage recognition will go into effect in two weeks but same-sex marriage performance will not go in effect until we hear from a higher court [1]. Prcc27 (talk) 07:29, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

  • I have a secondary source to back up my same-sex marriage performance indefinitely stayed claim: [2]. Prcc27 (talk) 08:46, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
Really? Because this source contradicts your source. [3] I think he was only talking about the stay time and not talking about after December 9, 2014. I'm gonna edit it to show mississippi legalizing gay marriage soon and not recognizing it from other states because you don't have a link to back that up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AHC300 (talkcontribs) 16:30, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
  • @AHC300: That source doesn't contradict my source. Both sources are consistent with when the stay expires, but my source notes that even when the stay expires, same-sex marriages can't be performed until we hear from a higher court. Please stop edit-warring! Prcc27 (talk) 17:17, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
  • @Prcc27: Uh yeah it does. Guess you didn't bother reading the article: "Mississippi argued that it wanted to avoid the “recent debacle in the State of Utah that resulted from the courts' 'on-again, off-again' treatment of same-sex marriage.” “[T]his Court should take action to prevent Mississippi from having to endure the same experience,” officials said." You have still yet to back up any of those sources that same-sex marriage would be recognized ONLY from different states. I would you for you to point that out for me. If the Circuit courts say otherwise in the next few days is one thing but I'm just going by the ruling he made. If it goes into effect it will. AHC300 (talk) 21:49, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
  • The order states that the State of Mississippi and all its agents, officers, employees, and subsidiaries are prevented from enforcing both the statute and the constitutional ban. The Hinds County clerk is named extra as she was also a defendant, but she is also an employee of the state, so she is already prevented from enforcing the bans. Both clauses state that out of state marriages will not be recognised in MS, but the constitutional amendment states that SSM will not be performed in MS. Since the amendment is also no longer enforceable, SSM is covered under the temporary stay.
    Additionally, the stay is pending appeal. If the state does not appeal to the 5th or to SCOTUS, the stay will simply expire. The stay might not expire on Hinds County, but once again, nothing is determined for the rest of the state, and that should be clarified if nothing is done with the 5th. Since MS already filed a notice of appeal, we can expect to hear from the 5th soon, with clarification on the stay. And while Wikipedia:CRYSTAL applies to the article, I am 99% certain that MS will soon be under a permanent stay, knowing the 5th and Justice Scalia. So let's leave it out of the template for now, as we all know what the likely outcome will be within the next 14 days. Kumorifox (talk) 22:13, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
  • @Prcc27:[4] And here is the most accurate source I could find saying it WILL go into effect on December 9/10, 2014. This is from the state of Mississippi who is fighting this case in court: "Pursuant to 5th Cir. Rule 27.3, in non-death penalty cases,motions seeking relief before the expiration of 14 days after filing are considered emergency motions and must meet the requirements of both Rule 27.3 and Fed. R. App. P. 8. The emergency arises from the fact that the temporary stay will expire on December 9, 2014. Unless this court enters an emergency stay, at that point, the preliminary injunction permitting same-sex marriage in Mississippi will go into effect.The State requests the Court enter a stay no later than December 8, 2014, effective unless and until such time as this Court rules that Mississippi’s traditional laws (and substantively identical laws in Louisiana and Texas) are prohibited by the Fourteenth Amendment. Absent the immediate entry of an emergency stay, at the open in of business on Wednesday, December 10, 2014, Mississippi circuit clerks will be forced to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples, in derogation of Mississippi’s strong public policy favoring traditional marriages, as reflected in state statutory and constitutional provisions." AHC300 (talk) 21:57, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

Looks like the point is moot, as the 5th granted a permanent stay. I took the liberty of removing MS from the template, so it is in line with TX with its permanent stay. Kumorifox (talk) 21:16, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 January 2015[edit]

The asterix following "Mexico" in the side-column reads "4" -- it should read "5". Thanks. (talk) 21:26, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for catching that. Done. Dralwik|Have a Chat 21:42, 5 January 2015 (UTC)


Apparently Vietnam has abolished the ban on same-sex marriages, even though the marriages are neither officially recognised nor protected by the government. But people can now get married in Vietnam. Should this be mentioned in the template? See [5] for the source. Kumorifox (talk) 05:47, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

No. The template is titled, "Legal status of same-sex relationships", and it does not appear that the Vietnamese government gives same-sex marriages any legal status. - htonl (talk) 08:57, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
Glad I asked, thanks. Kumorifox (talk) 16:46, 14 January 2015 (UTC)


Same-sex marriage isn't necessarily legal in Alabama: [6] Prcc27 (talk) 07:12, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

@S51438: Get consensus for your edit here before edit warring, thank you! Prcc27 (talk) 08:47, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Then at least add an asterisk after Alabama instead of removing it every time. The ban was struck, there is no stay, and no limitations were placed on the ruling itself. We are just waiting on clarification from the judge; until then, the ban is de jure struck and unenforceable. Kumorifox (talk) 23:05, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Chile approves same-sex civil unions.[edit]

Can you add Chile in this List, please?. Chile approves same-sex civil unions. Thank you! http://news.yahoo.com/chilean-lawmakers-approve-same-sex-civil-unions-011329435.html

Cquezadam (talk) 16:14, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please make your requested changes to the template's sandbox first; see WP:TESTCASES. — {{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 18:10, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

RfC: Chile world same-sex marriage map[edit]

Please join discussion for how Chile should be colored. Prcc27 (talk) 08:18, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Missouri fine-tune[edit]

I fine-tuned the wording for Missouri's footnote; switched it from "Only legal in St. Louis, Missouri" to "Only legalized in St. Louis city, Missouri". I believe it more accurately captures the intricacies of both the legal decision and the difference between St. Louis city and county. Thanks, Abeg92contribs 17:32, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

@Abeg92: I don't think the change from legal to legalized is necessary since same-sex marriage is currently legal and sometimes legalized refers to a law that isn't in effect yet. Also, I would change "St. Louis city, Missouri" to "St. Louis (city), Missouri; and I will. Prcc27 (talk) 02:05, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
That's not what legalized means, see wikt:legalizedwikt:legalizewikt:legalise#Verb. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:20, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

SSM is legal in all 50 states. (No-where will you be convicted of a crime for SSM.) It is recognized in all of MO. But only in St. Louis is legally required to issue licenses, while two other counties issue them without being required. So neither "legal" or "legalized" are correct. — kwami (talk) 06:56, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

  • Legal means "permitted by law" and legalized means "to make legal"; which is why I think "legal" is more appropriate. Something doesn't have to be a crime for it to be illegal, it just has to be "forbidden by law". Prcc27 (talk) 09:46, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
  • I agree with User:Prcc27. For the reason he gave, if you have a problem with "legal", then "legalized" doesn't help because all it means is "legal after having not been legal". To say that SSM is not legal in a state is to say that the law doesn't provide for SSM. —Largo Plazo (talk) 11:37, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 February 2015[edit]

Removing the * from Michigan regarding recognition of previously preformed marriages. Recognition is no longer pending. It took effect February 5, 2016, 21 days after the January 15, 2015 ruling in Casper v. Snyder http://freemarry.3cdn.net/a23500c04c85189d47_50m6b90fz.pdf and the state is not appealing http://www.michigan.gov/snyder/0,4668,7-277--346819--,00.html

Toajones8 (talk) 05:55, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done I've brought the template up to HTML5 compliance, but I don't see a * next to MI, so I can't remove it. Please be more clear with what you want or preferably show us by putting the desired change in the /sandbox per WP:TESTCASES. Thanks. — {{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 16:19, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

Making the third "See also" box consistent with the width of the rest[edit] (talk) 17:09, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Could you be more specific about what change you want done? I don't see a problem with the text in the template, myself. Kumorifox (talk) 20:06, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Okay. In this line in the original template, the semicolon is after the quotation marks
{| class="collapsible collapsed plainlist" style="width: 100%; border: 1px solid #E6E6FA";
and it should be before it and then the "See more" section expands to the full width of the rest like so
{| class="collapsible collapsed plainlist" style="width: 100%; border: 1px solid #E6E6FA;"
You can try it in the template and you'll see that it affects it. -- (talk) 22:57, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done I was mistakenly looking at the example you posted instead of the actual template. I changed it, the template should be fine now. Kumorifox (talk) 23:15, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
In future, please don't copypaste the entire template to the talk page (see WP:PER#Requests for templates), instead amend its sandbox (see WP:TESTCASES). --Redrose64 (talk) 16:14, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 February 2015[edit]

President of Finland just signed the gender-neutral marriage law. The map should be changed then. We usually don't wait the moment the law take effect.

2A02:1205:34CE:ED30:6525:BE10:E8FB:AD4B (talk) 16:55, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done Template changed and asterisk added. Not sure if a footnote is needed, as the law will not go into effect until March 2017. Kumorifox (talk) 17:03, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

In Venezuela the recognition of same sex couples not exist.[edit]

In Venezuela the recognition of same sex couples not exist. The information about of the state Mérida with the same sex couples is wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RJAJ55 (talkcontribs) 14:10, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

All sources I can find says Mérida recognises civil unions. Which one did I miss that says they are not? Kumorifox (talk) 02:57, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Alabama 2[edit]

Not sure what to do w AL. Technically legal, but apparently licenses are no longer being issued anywhere in the state. I added a fn; feel free to change. — kwami (talk) 20:22, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

I propose a move to "no longer performed but still recognized", barring clarification from either the state Supreme Court that the state must enforce the ban or from the federal court that the state Supreme Court is in flagrant violation of the supremacy clause and binding judicial precedent. -Kudzu1 (talk) 20:48, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
I disagree. This move by the AL Supreme Court is unconstitutional. Difbobatl (talk) 00:03, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
The sick thing is that a court order does actually only bind the plaintiffs and defendants. When you get to the nitty-gritty of it, the SCOAL is simply reinforcing the initial ruling, stating that Judge Granade's ruling is only binding for the plaintiffs who were part of the case. The ruling stopped short of saying SSM is legal in AL, and the SCOAL is taking this literally. The remaining states that had their bans struck did not go this far (aside from KS, of course) because they knew there would be further litigation involved if judges or clerks would hold out and refuse to issue. But AL has a history of making life difficult for people after court cases involving civil rights. Kumorifox (talk) 02:17, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
It probably is, and the other standing bans in other states and territories are probably unconstitutional as well -- but that is for a higher court to decide, not us as Wikipedians. As the state court ruling was silent on the point of recognition, I have moved Alabama to "recognized" for now. I wouldn't be surprised if some legal "clarification" (which may or may not actually clear up anything) comes down the pike in the near future, and we'll just have to deal with it when it does. -Kudzu1 (talk) 01:39, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
Or we can just keep misrepresenting the status of same-sex unions in Alabama. That's cool. -Kudzu1 (talk) 23:04, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
AL should be moved to "no longer performed" for the time being. Constitutional or not, the fact is that there are no marriages performed right now, so its position in the "performed" section is incorrect. Kumorifox (talk) 00:27, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
Until the conflicting rulings situation is settled, Alabama belongs in the recognition section with a footnote. Prcc27 (talk) 01:20, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
Recognition, yes; performed, no. I assume that is what you mean? Kumorifox (talk) 01:54, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done Kumorifox (talk) 02:53, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 March 2015[edit]

Add Slovenia. (talk) 21:06, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

X mark.svg Not done The bill has not been signed yet, and the template rules state that, until a bill is signed or a judge has handed down a verdict, the template should remain as-is. Until the bill is signed, Slovenia should not be added. Kumorifox (talk) 21:18, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
Check the same-sex union legislation page, the President merely promulgates laws; it is published as an act of parliament. We should make the change now. Chase1493 (talk) 00:46, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

Sicily Italy[edit]

I think that Sicily should be marked in light blue. Although civil unions in other Italian regions are symbolical, Sicily is semi-autonomous region and recently approved civil unions:

http://livesicilia.it/2015/03/21/registro-delle-unioni-civili-sicilia-modello-per-litalia_608641/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:17, 26 March 2015 (UTC)