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[edit] Non-penetrative sex

why is fingering listed under non-penetrative sex? how is inserting ones finger into an orifice anything but penetration????99.153.29.112 (talk) 17:11, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

It was grouped under non-penetrative sex because it is listed on that page as being a form of non-penetrative sex.
However, looking at the other pages on topic, definitions of what is penetrative sex seem to vary - some just define penetration with sexual anatomy, others include use of other body parts. (Also, apparently, not all fingering involves penetration.) Zodon (talk) 21:40, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Comment

Dear user:qrc2006: I am one of the contributors to the Wikipedia:WikiProject Sexology and Sexuality, and as such, spend a majority of my time on sexology and sexuality articles. You might like to help with that project if you have an interest in the subject.

We also have a portal sexuality that you could help with as it needs updating on a regular basis. The featured article needs to change oaccasionally, as does the Featured Picture and the "Did you know" section.

The problem with what you are attempting with your template is that the field of sexology and sexuality (abbreviated to "sex" in your template) is very, very broad. And that is limiting it to human sexuality, and not including "sex" related topics of other animals.

Look at these to get an idea. Look at Category:Sexology, Category:Human sexuality, List of sexology topics, Category:Sexuality-related lists, category:sex moves, List of sex positions, sex acts, List of BDSM topics, Category:Sex education and of course category:sex.

How your template could represent all of these is hard to imagine. But, give it your best shot. Atom 21:47, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

everything has a hierarchy to it, perhaps the box could just refer to top or mid level hierarchy pages and let those pages be used for directing users to low level details pages. Though a lot of these higher order pages probably would need to be created first. Mathmo Talk 18:55, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Possibilities to add

Sexual orientation: Bisexuality, Heterosexuality, Homosexuality

Asexuality, Autosexuality, Intersexuality, Monosexuality, Pansexuality

See template:sexual orientation

DSM-IV Codes#Paraphilias Paraphilia: Exhibitionism, Fetishism, Frotteurism, Sexual Masochism, Pedophilia, Sexual Sadism, Transvestic fetishism, Voyeurism

Apparently Zoophilia (in your list) is no longer a paraphilia according to DSM-IV

Non-DSM Paraphilias might include (*pedophilia: sexual attraction to prepubescent children

Balloon fetishism -- breast fetishism -- foot fetishism (podophilia) -- fur fetishism -- leather fetishism -- lipstick fetishism -- medical fetishism -- panty fetishism -- robot fetishism -- rubber fetishism -- shoe fetishism -- smoking fetishism -- spandex fetishism -- transvestic fetishism (see below)
  • Frotteurism: sexual arousal from the recurrent urge or behavior of touching or rubbing against a nonconsenting person
  • Galactophilia: sexual attraction to human milk or lactating women (incorrect term)
  • Gerontophilia: sexual attraction towards the elderly
  • Haematophilia: sexual attraction involving blood (either on a sex partner/attractive person or the liquid itself; not to be confused with haemophilia, a genetic disorder of the blood)
  • Harpaxophilia: sexual arousal from being the victim of a robbery or burglary
  • Hematolagnia: sexual attraction to blood
  • Hybristophilia: sexual arousal to people who have committed crimes, in particular cruel or outrageous crimes
  • Infantilism: sexual pleasure from dressing, acting, or being treated as a baby
  • Klismaphilia: sexual pleasure from enemas
  • Lust murder: sexual arousal through committing murder
  • Macrophilia: sexual attraction to larger people and large things (including larger body organs such as breasts and genitalia)
  • Maiesiophilia: sexual attraction to childbirth or pregnant women
  • Masochism: is the recurrent urge or behavior of wanting to be humiliated, beaten, bound, or otherwise made to suffer
  • Microphilia: sexual attraction to smaller people and things of smaller size
  • Mysophilia: sexual attraction to soiled, dirty, foul or decaying material
  • Necrophilia: sexual attraction to corpses
  • Necrozoophilia: sexual attraction to the corpses or killings of animals (also known as necrobestiality)
  • Nepiophilia: the same as infantophilia sexual attraction to children between the age of 0 - 3 yrs.
  • Pedophilia: sexual attraction to prepubescent children (also spelt paedophilia in some countries)
  • Pictophilia: sexual attraction to pictorial pornography/erotic art
  • Plushophilia: sexual attraction to stuffed toys or people in animal costume, such as theme park characters
  • Pyrophilia: sexual arousal through watching, setting, hearing/talking/fantasizing about fire
  • Retifism: sexual arousal from shoes
  • Sadism: sexual arousal from giving pain
  • Sitophilia: sexual arousal from food
  • Somnophilia: sexual arousal from sleeping or unconscious people
  • Spectrophilia: sexual attraction to ghosts
  • Telephone scatologia: being sexually aroused by making obscene telephone calls
  • Teratophilia: sexual attraction to deformed or monstrous people
  • Toonophilia: love (or sexual arousal) to cartoon characters/situations
  • Transformation fetish: sexual arousal from depictions of transformations of people into objects or other beings
  • Transvestic fetishism: is a sexual attraction towards the clothing of the opposite gender (also known as transvestitism)
  • Trichophilia: love (or sexual arousal) from hair
  • Urolagnia: sexual attraction to urine
  • Vorarephilia: sexual attraction to being eaten by, and/or eating, another person or creature
  • Voyeurism: sexual arousal through watching others having sex (also includes the recurrent urge or behavior to observe an unsuspecting person who is naked, disrobing or engaging in sexual activities, see peeping tom)
  • Xenophilia: sexual attraction to foreigners (in science fiction, can also mean sexual attraction to aliens)
  • Zoophilia: emotional or sexual attraction to animals
  • Zoosadism: the sexual enjoyment of causing pain and suffering to animals

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[edit] Scope too broad?

It seems to me that this template tries to cover way too much ground on such a wide ranging topic as sex. In such a state, it doesn't appear to provide the comprehensiveness that a navigation template should. The list of articles to the right of the five main groups are all limited to varying degrees. Also, the template for the most part excludes aspects of sex and reproduction for non-human organisms. I think a template such as this could be the start of something very good, so I'd like to propose that it be split into five separate templates, one each to cover the five main groups to the left. Thoughts? Robotman1974 17:26, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

There is already a template that covers sex positions, so I'm going to take those out of this template. Robotman1974 16:41, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
However, I think linking to the basic topic of sexual positions would be worthwhile. Subsolar 04:08, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
The whole anatomy section is redundant as (literally) any part of the body will already be covered by a sexual fetish. --Philip Laurence 02:20, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
Yes, but some parts are more clearly or directly sexual than others. Subsolar 04:08, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

I think this is again becoming too large, and should be reduced to just the top-level topics, say

  • Acts and positions
  • Ethics
  • History
  • Identity
  • In Society
  • Law
  • Physiology
  • Pornography and erotica
  • Paraphilia and fetishes
  • Relationships
  • Reproduction
  • Sex work and prostitution

Maybe some of those could be split or combined, but could we agree that approximately that many topics would be appropriate? There are hundreds of sex-related topics, we can't have them all there. Subsolar (talk) 01:28, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't see how these new categories would improve the current shorter categorization. "Paraphilias & Fetishes" is fine as a parent category (the content is too vast for a general template such as this). "Pornography and erotica" would mean the elimination of the "Entertainment" section which in turn would eliminate a place for "Sex toys". How many articles exist on "Sex work and prostitution" to warrant a section?... I can't think of any. Also, "Physiology" & "Reproduction" are of similar clinical and scientific ilk to be covered in the same breath... whereas the removal of a health and education section is puzzling. Redblueball (talk) 16:30, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] BDSM

I think too much of importance given to this. Changing to "Feelings"(or anything such), and include orgasm, sexual arousal, sexual attraction, BDSM(b&d, s&m) etc. would be fine. (Comment on my sorting by importance are welcome, Foreplay is kept with sexual intercourse, as sexual intercourse includes anal and oral sex also.) Lara_bran 06:44, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Changed BDSM section to see also. Lara_bran 08:04, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reproductive medicine

Since there is now an article on Reproductive medicine, would it make sense to remove Andrology, Gynecology and Urology from the health section, and just use reproductive medicine? Zodon (talk) 03:35, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] irrumatio

is not covered by oral sex and non-penatrative sex, or else it would not have its own article. a blob job is performed by the sucker, irrumatio is performed by the suckee, it is a different sex act all together, or just like anal and vaginal sex are different even though both are the sticking in removal and repeat of the penis.Chuletadechancho (talk) 07:50, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

The articles on these topics say otherwise. Non-penatrative sex lists irrumatio as one form of non-penatrative sex; likewise, oral sex lists it as one variant. The article on irrumatio says it refers to oral or non-penatrative sex, with overtones of rape. All three of the major concepts that the term refers to are on the template.
As noted elsewhere in this talk page, the sex template covers a very broad area. It would be uselessly large if it listed every article relating to sex. Note that most of the variants of non-penatrative sex and oral sex are not on the template. However the variants are easily accessed from the respective main articles. And if one is specifically looking for the term, a search will find it. Zodon (talk) 19:23, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Categorization of the template

I moved the following note here from my user talk page since it relates to editing this template. Zodon (talk) 11:35, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

I see that you reverted my edit to Template:Sex. I've restored it because without the <includeonly></includeonly> tags, the template itself appears in the Sex category which is incorrect. I think your edit comment was regarding the weird character in the sort field for the category, but I didn't put that in there; it was already there when I came to the template. If you want to change that, be my guest, but please leave the <includeonly></includeonly>. Thanks! --Sapphic (talk) 03:29, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Putting [[Category:Sex|τ]] inside includeonly changes the behavior of the template so that it categorizes every page that it is on into category sex. This is undesirable since most of these pages are more appropriately categorized in subcategories.
When templates are put into categories with non-templates, the templates are usually sorted under the letter tau. (Which groups them at the end). I haven't found much documentation of this, (there is one mention buried in the code of this Template:Template category ) but a google search reveals many examples of the practice. Like so much of WikiPedia, this is just an observation of what I have seen done.
As no basis was given for the inclusion of the template in the category sex being incorrect, I have reverted the edit for the moment. (It is certainly better to have just the template in the category, under the appropriate heading, than to have all the other pages in there.) Why is it "incorrect?"
If the template shouldn't be in the category, then removing the category tag from the template entirely would seem to be the appropriate way to handle it. Zodon (talk) 11:35, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
Templates don't go in mainspace categories. They only go in "template" categories. That's why including the template in the Template:Sex category is incorrect. I'll hold off on removing the Template:Sex tag entirely until I find documentation for this. --Sapphic (talk) 15:20, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Help_desk/Archives/2008_May_24#Templates_in_their_own_auto-categories and Help:Category#Non-main_namespaces although those still don't seem definitive enough for me, especially since Zodon seems to think using a 'tau' character is standard practice in these cases, meaning there must be a standard practice in these cases. I'll keep looking, but if somebody else knows more about this type of situation they should please chime in. --Sapphic (talk) 15:44, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Those both seem to deal more with mechanics rather than policy. I took another look around but still haven't found anything that spells out policy one way or another on whether templates may/should/should not be included in categories with articles.
The documentation for Category:Wikipedia templates indicates that all templates should be categorized under that, but does not indicate prohibition of categorization elsewhere as well.
The Wikipedia:Categorization#Guidelines suggest that articles be included in the category with the same name as the article (#5). It also suggests that articles be categorized by the topic (i.e. sex), rather than by characteristics of the article (i.e. template) (#8). Both seem to me to suggest that template:sex may be appropriate in category:sex.
This enhancement suggestion suggests a way to clarify/separate articles by namespace in category display. As noted above, the sorting under tau seems to be a de-facto standard practice workaround to provide similar effect.
I posted an inquiry on Wikipedia talk:Categorization#Policy on different namespaces in one category, editors there are probably more familiar with the category system, policies and current practice, and may be able to help. Zodon (talk) 00:26, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
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