Template talk:Sex and the law

Picture

This template is being used, with it's picture of a gay man hanged for having sex with his consenting adult lover, on pages that include sexual assault, sexual abuse and peadophilia. The picture is grossly inappropriate and should not be used on those pages. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.76.227.195 (talk) 13:14, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

I agree, the picture gives a rather negative view of relation between sex and the law. Navigation templates should not be overly decorative, so a picture is not required. But if there is a picture it should be more neutral. Zodon (talk) 10:10, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

I concur with Zodon's comment and the removal of the picture. --Jack-A-Roe (talk) 22:01, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Intro

I created this template after a split involving a problematic "sexual violence and victimization" template that looked like a moral imposition on some pages. I encourage you all to add pages to "Sex and the Law" and add the template to those pages where possible.

Template:Rape should now be considered a separate topic, with its own template. forestPIG^(grunt) 22:11, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

pedophilia and pederasty

Recently pedophilia and pederasty were added to the template. Neither one of these articles nor the concepts involved is clearly sex and the law. (As compared to child grooming or child sexual abuse, which clearly are related to sex and the law.)

Pedophilia is about an internal state - being attracted to or excited by certain things. For the most part law deals with observables (acts, statements, etc.) rather than feelings/thoughts. So although I would not be amazed if this set of feelings was outlawed someplace, the relation to law seems tangential. (Certainly the current article doesn't deal much with legal issues, and unclear whether one viewing it would be likely to want to navigate to the other articles on this template.)

The pederasty article deals a little more with law, although mostly about history. But again the legal or illegal issues seem to have been mostly factored out into the articles noted above. Again, not so clear that this concept closely links this article with the others on the template.

(As I see it the question for the template is are those viewing the article in question likely to want to view other articles on this template - not is this term also used to describe a crime, ...)

A somewhat related problem is the template currently titles this section as "Specific Offences", even with the notation that whether these are offences or not varies with jurisdiction, this is hardly a neutral presentation. Zodon (talk) 07:46, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

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212.84.121.75 (talk) 03:18, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Horizontal bar at the bottom

This would be best as a horizontal bar at the bottom. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 19:15, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 94.110.70.177, 25 April 2011

Follwing the successful appeal of Mr Jeremy Clifford in the UK High Court on 1st April 2011, I wish to add a category "Miscarriage Of Justice" -- End request --> 94.110.70.177 (talk) 07:30, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

I think that's a little too broad for this template. You'll find it on {{Criminal procedure (trial)}} though. — Bility (talk) 15:09, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Non-related links

This template contains several links to articles completely unrelated to sex laws, such as homophobia and striptease. The template is also very unorganized with related topics on opposite ends of the template, for example cicumcision and fmale genital cutting, and it seems very muddled up. The social issues section could possibly be deleted too. Can someone address this? Pass a Method talk 13:51, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Homophobia is related to sex and the law. Stop being dense. And every listing is a social issue. 50.19.178.57 (talk) 19:58, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm going to have to agree with the IP, with the exception of calling you dense. IP, try your best to refrain from personal attacks, per WP:personal attacks. Flyer22 (talk) 23:01, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

What do you think about arranging related links near one another, e.g. female genital cutting near circumcision, or rape near sexual assault etc. Pass a Method talk 11:27, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Maybe you should try and get more opinions before making those changes, if you want to make them. RfC, posting a link to this discussion to a related project, whichever. Flyer22 (talk) 19:49, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Survival sex

Please add Survival sex under "Social issues". Thank you. 85.230.127.113 (talk) 06:18, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. I'm not sure about this one, can we get a consensus before it's added. Prostitution's already there, but I agree this is a more social matter. andy4789 ★ · (talk? contribs?) 23:46, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Suggestion: add more material on how survival sex is handled under the law and then add the page to this template.--Carwil (talk) 02:20, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Good idea. I added a Survival sex#Outreach and law enforcement section, so I am renewing this request. Weltoners (talk) 21:50, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

How is this a social issue? It's a form of prostitution which is already on the template. I think it's too specific for this template. — Bility (talk) 22:13, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

It's at the nexus of prostitution and law enforcement because children are involved so much more often than ordinary prostitution, as the sources in that section I just added say. (Presumably because it is easier for adults to get regular jobs?) Weltoners (talk) 22:16, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

I've deactivated the request for now. There doesn't seem to have been much improvement in consensus and you will be able to edit it yourself tomorrow. I'd still recommend reaching a consensus first, to avoid having someone take it right back out. Cheers and welcome, Celestra (talk) 01:36, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

I added a third paragraph explaining the trends, recent Congressional and administrative law enforcement action (and the lack thereof), and the position of the Center for Community Oriented Policing (which is absurd) so I am going ahead and going to add this to the social issues section. Weltoners (talk) 16:25, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

"Essentialism"

It took me some time looking through the Essentialism article to figure out what it had to do with sex alone. Does it really have anything to do with sex and the law? Weltoners (talk) 17:23, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

I took it out. There were no other sources on Google that I could find linking essentialism to any legal matters. Weltoners (talk) 10:28, 20 February 2012 (UTC)