Template talk:Shootings in the United States
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Chronological sort order of events
The events are currently sorted chronologically in first-to-last order (as are years in the template table). In code, attached to each event wikilink is a comment containing the year or date of the event in
yyyy.mm.dd format. Typically only the year is featured, but if there were multiple events in one year, a month is added, and a day when there have been more than one event per month. In some cases, I added days when some events are just days or weeks apart from one another. -Mardus (talk) 02:56, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
By contrast, Template:School killings in the United States has the events in alphabetical order because of redlinks, since these lack sufficient data (articles) for chronological sorting. -Mardus (talk) 03:17, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
- Thank you for that. I had yet to going around to sorting all of the links yet. (I was more towards notability, but I do not think that it matters much at the moment. Super Goku V (talk) 05:37, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
- To clarify, since most of the links are to articles about an event, then it has already reached notability on its own. (Though, some might still be to individuals or to schools at the moment.) Super Goku V (talk) 05:54, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
I don't think the Boston Massacre really belongs in this list. With the shooting having been done by a military force, it seems kind of out of place to put it with mass murders by civilians. It also happened before the United States existed, so given the name of the template, it's kind of inaccurate. – ʎɑzy ɗɑƞ 09:33, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
- I tend to agree. We don't include the Kent State shootings here, for example, although we do include the Columbine Mine massacre which was a union conflict where the shooters were policemen. I'd like us to have an explicit inclusion criteria for this template. GabrielF (talk) 14:22, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
- That is because there have been more articles created as time has passed, which is visible in the template. Though, the population of the United States has grown in recent years, which could be a minor cause. (The only suggestion I would have is a cap in articles per decade or section.) --Super Goku V (talk) 03:41, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
- This template does not have much currently in the way of criteria, besides being notable enough to have its own article. Likely, the two articles were missed for reasons. --Super Goku V (talk) 03:41, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
Lone Star Shooting
Does anyone else agree that the Lone Star shooting isn't significant enough to be in this template? It doesn't even have it's own article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 00:15, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
- Yeah, I think I might have added that link in. (I know that it had an article at one point, but it must have been folded into another article.) --Super Goku V (talk) 02:04, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
Should the title of the template really be notable "mass" shootings? Just looking through a number of them shows that there are isolated incidents of shooting single individuals in here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 17:49, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
Removed internal Wikipedia jargon
The entries have existing Wikipedia articles and are presumed to therefore be "notable" enough -- for existing Wikipedia articles.
Centuries and criteria
I've changed "1800s" and "1900s" to "19th cen." and "20th cen.", so that they don't appear to be decades. I abbreviated them so that they don't unnecessarily widen the header column. I also added hidden comments to a couple of items for review — there may be more:
- Boston Marathon bombings#MIT shooting and carjacking (labeled as "Massachusetts Institute of Technology shooting"
- This seems incidental to the Tsarnaev brothers passing through; it's obviously part of the Boston Marathon bombing. The Boston Police commissioner called the MIT officer's shooting an "assassination" without further explanation, but the preponderance of sources indicate that the officer was killed for his gun, which the brothers couldn't get unlocked afterwards. In other words, he was killed just because he was a conveniently-located police officer in public, not because he or anyone else was associated with MIT.
- DeKalb County School District#Shooting and hostage situation (labeled as "Ronald E. McNair Discovery Learning Academy shooting"
- Is this notable enough to be here in the context of an encyclopedia with no time limits on notability? There is no separate Wikipedia article, and were no injuries.
I noticed that the word "notable" was removed from the header. That's reasonable, but it does bring up the question: What is the criteria for what which mass shootings or school shootings are in this list, even if they don't have their own articles? And which shootings are mass shootings rather than other multiple shootings in one incident (big bank robberies, police shootouts, etc.)? And is the "school shootings" for incidents in which the school or its people were the point of the act, or even shootings whose campus location happened to be a coincidence? And what about the ones "in between": for example, playground shootings caused by gang members or other criminals hanging around schools (but not on the property) on purpose? --Closeapple (talk) 03:19, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
- Shootings at US schools in general receive quite a bit of national attention, whether it involves one victim or a dozen. School shootings are very different than a common inner city neighborhood shooting, because schools/colleges generally are supposed to be safe environments for young people. School shooters usually have the intent of using the school as an opportunity for an attack against society. The incident at the DeKalb County, GA elementary school had a lot of attention from all across the country, not only due to the shooting itself, but due to the heroism involved (staff member Antoinette Huff trying to calm down the shooter by talking about feelings). The incident luckily ended with no injuries, but it could have potentially been another mass murder. Cyanidethistles (talk) 23:41, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
- A bit late on this, but Cirt removed it with their reasons as above. Basically, it seems that the point is that every article on Wikipedia is assumed to be notable until challenged, thus the Wikipedia article should be linked to this template as long as the article is agreed to be notable through assumption or through a challenge to the article. --Super Goku V (talk) 02:45, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
No article "Shootings in the United States"
There is no parent article for this template and associated material. All there are, are lists of shootings. Nothing to place them in perspective. For example, there is an article that says "...mass killings peaked in 1929 and have dropped in the 2000s." Not something you'd discover from watching television, is it? http://www.thecourierexpress.com/news/national/article_9b2800e9-cf64-5982-94cc-646242d98c8b.html. We have no place to put this information. We've limited ourselves to scare articles copied from the media. Not really a good idea IMO. And poor encyclopedia-ship. Student7 (talk) 21:17, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
- I would certainly encourage the creation of an article Shootings in the United States, if you (or someone else) wanted to start it. It's a general problem of Wikipedia, that it is easier to write on specific, limited-scope topics than to write good, NPOV articles on more general areas. JesseW, the juggling janitor 06:35, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
Hey folks, whoever is editing the template:
When adding html comments, the syntax requires a minimum of TWO (2) hyphens before the right angle-bracket, like this
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NOT like this
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There were a few occurrences of the latter in the template, the effect was that they caused the next entry in the list to be hidden, because they were not parsed as the close of a comment.
I fixed all the ones I found, I am simply alerting other editors to look out for such syntax errors.