Template talk:Surviving ocean going ships

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Mary Rose[edit]

I would dispute the inclusion of the Mary Rose on this template, she is not exactly surviving, rather what we have of her is recovered wreckage and although some of the wreck survives to this day, I would not consider her surviving in the same sense as the Cutty Sark or the Victory and she is certainly not ocean going. JonEastham (talk) 17:40, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

bumped to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject ShipsCruickshanks (talk) 16:03, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
Mary Rose should be removed. Vasa also probably. (talk) 13:14, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
When I first created this template, my intention was to try to trawl for all of the originally ocean-going 'survivors' out there. That is why I included Vasa and Mary Rose in the first revision of the template (by memory) because the very existence of those two very old ships is so significant. My use of the term "ocean going" was only intended to differentiate from the myriad of small coastal vessels out there that could swamp this template. The term "ocean going" is not intended to construe that they are still "ocean going" today. Indeed, to apply such a filter now would basically empty the majority of the ships from the template and make it rather pointless. Thus, the inclusion of Vasa and Mary Rose, as well as Cutty Sark and Victory, is fully in keeping with the initial intent of the template. I hope this helps. Cruickshanks (talk) 05:14, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Suggested additions[edit]

In the military section, I would add:

Spanish Peral Submarine (launched 1888, preserved as monument in Cartagena)
German submarine SM U-1 (launched 1906, preserved in museum in München)
Finnish submarine Vesikko (launched 1933, preserved as museum ship in Suomenlinna, Helsinki)
Estonian submarine EML Lembit (launched 1936, preserved as museum ship in Tallinn)
Soviet submarine K-21 (launched 1939, preserved as monument in Murmansk)
Destroyer escort USS McAnn (DE-179), a.k.a. Brasilian Bauru (launched 1943, preserved as museum ship in Rio de Janeiro)
Frigate HMAS Diamantina (K377) (launched in 1944, preserved as museum ship in Brisbane)
Swedish destroyer HSwMS Småland (J19) (launched 1952, preserved as museum ship in Göteborg)
French destroyer Maillé-Brézé (D627) (launched 1953, preserved as museum ship in Nantes)
Peruvian submarine BAP Abtao (SS-42) (delivered 1954, preserved as museum ship in Callao)
French submarine Argonaute (S636) (launched 1958, preserved as museum ship in Paris)
French submarine Espadon (S637) (launched 1958, preserved as museum ship in Saint-Nazaire)
Soviet submarine K-19 (launched 1958)

Bancki (talk) 13:03, 4 August 2014 (UTC)