Template talk:Swedish Royal Family

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Re: fiancés[edit]

Jonas has not yet been granted any titles related to his forthcoming marriage to Princess Madeleine, therefore his inclusion in the template is a trifle premature. In fact, even had he married Princess Madeleine already, he would still not be eligible for inclusion in the official Royal Family as he would not automatically receive any titular recognition.

In addition to all that, Mr. Westling, although what he WILL be titled (in other words, implying he is not currently titled) has been released, he only gets the HRH upon married to the Crown Princess, so his inclusion in the template is also too soon.


{{help}} The layout of this template is very confusing. The indentations and demarcations make the Duchess of Hallandia look as high-ranking as the King himself (is she the Queen Mother?) and Birgitta look like a former Queen or such. Would somebody who is good at formatting please fix this? SergeWoodzing (talk) 19:07, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

I don't know how to fix this, so I'm trying a help tag to see I we can attract somebody who does. SergeWoodzing (talk) 12:10, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

I believe the indentations are used to mark generations, not rank. The Duchess of Halland is the King's aunt and thus belongs to the oldest generation. The King, the Queen and Princess Birgitta belong to the middle generation, while the Duchess and Duke of Västergötland, the Duke of Värmland and the Duchess of Hälsingland and Gästrikland belong to the youngest generation. How should the template look like, in your opinion? Surtsicna (talk) 12:26, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

I think it would be much less confusing (to non-experts) if the indentations were arranged according to rank: i.e. everyone but the King and Queen indented one step. SergeWoodzing (talk) 14:40, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
(Responding to help request) There's not much helpers can do here; we can answer questions about how to do stuff, but not really about what to do, in this specific instance. A discussion right here, to seek input, is entirely appropriate - you just need to get more answers. I suggest asking people on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Sweden, and other relevant project groups that you can find, to look in on this page — ie create a new section on that talk page, making a brief mention of the issue, and a link here, [[Template talk:Swedish Royal Family#Indentations]]. To find other wikiprojects, look on the talk page of articles that make use of the template; for example, on the top of Talk:Victoria, Crown Princess of Sweden it mentions WikiProject Royalty and Nobility (and others), so ask on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Royalty and Nobility (and others).
In doing so, I hope you will find people to suggest, discuss, reach a consensus, and get the template improved. Best of luck with it,  Chzz  ►  17:05, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

I decided to be bold now, and make the template less confusing in the only way I know how. SergeWoodzing (talk) 17:58, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

I always say put the monarch at the top and indent his descendants below. After that, put his brothers, their descendants, etc, in the same fashion. Cousins, etc, if it extends that far go below a horizontal line or collapse to be hidden. Seven Letters 21:21, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

RfC notification[edit]

A request for comments which may impact this template has been started at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Biographies#RfC on style in royal family templates. You are welcome to comment there. Fram (talk) 14:32, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Incorrect now[edit]

As has been discussed at length at Talk:Swedish Royal Family, it is definitely not correct to include the Hohenzollern prince, Baron Silfverschiöld and Mr. Magnuson while excluding Mr. O'Neill. Either or! --SergeWoodzing (talk) 17:08, 28 July 2014 (UTC)