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TAFI Automated Checklist
Item This week Next week Week after
1. Weekly page created Yes Yes Yes
2. Article specified Yes Yes Yes
3. Picture/file chosen Yes Yes Yes
4. Caption written Yes Yes Yes
It is currently week 5 of 2015. Purge this page to refresh the checklist.

Choose the TAFI article for Week 6 of 2015[edit]

The following discussion is closed and will soon be archived.

Hello @Buster7, Northamerica1000, NickPenguin, Whiteghost.ink, Ypnypn, Madalibi, Moswento, Kvng, Coin945, Mark Miller, Evad37, Buffbills7701, GiantSnowman, Melody Lavender, EMachine03, EuroCarGT, CSJJ104, Cloudz679, Iselilja, Khamar [ping list 1 of 2: edit] @Finnusertop, Tomásdearg92, CSJJ104, Davey2010, Stuartyeates, Gongshow, Jim Carter - Public, SL93, MrWooHoo, The boss 1998, Qwertyxp2000, Bananasoldier [ping list 2 of 2: edit], and others (anyone can participate!):

The following articles have been randomly chosen from the holding area:

Please indicate, before 23:59 UTC Saturday, your top three preferences in order: your top pick first, then your second choice, and then your third. These will be allocated 3, 2, and 1 points respectively, and the most popular article (with the most points) will be added to the scheduled for week 6 of 2015. Articles receiving 3 points or less will be archived. On behalf of the TAFI project, --NickPenguin(contribs) 07:40, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

Results:

Result was Food science, thanks everyone. We will be skipping the next weeks vote to bring the schedule a bit closer to the current week. --NickPenguin(contribs) 09:58, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Comments (week 6)[edit]

  • Note: the article Ode to Joy is not referring to the Beethoven song. Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 07:51, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Aren't we getting a bit ahead of ourselves here? I am all for good preparation but we are discussing picks for week 6 and it's still the previous year. What about something in the rules stating when there is a tie and two articles are scheduled, the next vote is delayed for a week accordingly. Otherwise this delay is just going to get bigger. Thoughts? C679 20:03, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
I think that would make sense. I didn't realistically think there would be a tie, but it has happened twice, and a few votes including last weeks have been close. Do you think we should postpone the next weeks vote to bring things a little closer? --NickPenguin(contribs) 23:57, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
I would say no vote next week, and also probably the first week of February, to get back into sync. Unless there are any objections? C679 17:52, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
Agreed, two misses to synch. No need for rules, just a sensible editor such as User:NickPenguin being prepared to do the work suffices.SovalValtos (talk) 18:15, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
It would make sense to not vote. We have already chosen so many months. Of course, I'm just here to vote and recommend pages for tafi. EMachine03 (talk) 22:28, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

No vote for this week[edit]

Per the above discussion, we will skip the vote for this upcoming week. --NickPenguin(contribs) 09:58, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

What does this mean? Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 20:34, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
@NickPenguin:? Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 03:11, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
I'm not sure what to explain. In the discussion section directly above this one, we discussed skipping the vote for this week. There were no objections, therefore the vote was skipped for this week. --NickPenguin(contribs) 06:46, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
Why no "Choose TAFI article for Week 7"? Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 23:49, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
We will still have a vote for week 7, we are just delaying it. If you read the discussion in the section on this talk page directly above this, you will see what we are talking about. --NickPenguin(contribs) 03:10, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
So Week 8 we vote for Week 7? What about Week 9 for Week 8, etc.? What about the missing parts? Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 00:32, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Picture for symphony[edit]

I cannot find a better picture for Symphony than the Beethoven 5th Symphony opening. Is that a good picture for "symphony"? Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 23:47, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

That looks excellent. --NickPenguin(contribs) 00:23, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
How's the caption? Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 23:52, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
@NickPenguin: Ping! Bananasoldier (talk) 22:53, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
That caption is excellent as well. --NickPenguin(contribs) 04:29, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Food science picture[edit]

What picture should "food science" have? Any suggestions? Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 23:33, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

@Qwertyxp2000: how about one of these?
  • File:FoodScience-ex2.png
  • File:FoodScience-ex3.png
  • File:Food Science and Technology.jpg
  • File:Food Science and Technology-3.jpg
  • File:CSIRO ScienceImage 1319 Food Science Australia.jpg
To be honest, I have no idea what to look for, but I hope these help! Kinda! Face-smile.svg Bananasoldier (talk) 22:52, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
FoodScience-ex3.png
@Bananasoldier:
What caption should I put in? Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 23:12, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
@Qwertyxp2000: I have no idea. For the TAFI maybe use the sentence given by the article: "Food science is the applied science devoted to the study of food." For the article itself, "A scientist working in the field of food science"? Bananasoldier (talk) 23:39, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
@Bananasoldier: Go to WP:TAFISCHEDULE and find out what caption you should put in. Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 00:21, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
@Bananasoldier: Sorry, there already is a picture. Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 00:22, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done All sorted. Thank you whoever thought up of a picture. Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 00:25, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
@Qwertyxp2000: No worries! As long as we have a picture! Bananasoldier (talk) 00:35, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Nominate Taffy or Saltwater taffy[edit]

Hi! I was wondering if somebody could nominate one of these articles for me because it's a bit troubling for me to nominate it myself as I'm editing from a mobile device. Thanks, Bananasoldier (talk) 03:06, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Many of us have troubles with devices. I am not at all sure we are encouraged to seek proxies to forward our decisions. Best wishes. SovalValtos (talk) 23:48, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done Bananasoldier (talk) 00:35, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Dishwashing liquid discussion[edit]

Hi! If you haven't already done so, please head over to talk:dishwashing liquid. There's discussion on the article, a move proposal, and a bunch of references that need to be used. Thanks! Bananasoldier (talk) 04:54, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Choose the TAFI article for Week 7 of 2015[edit]

The following discussion is closed and will soon be archived.

Hello @Buster7, Northamerica1000, NickPenguin, Whiteghost.ink, Ypnypn, Madalibi, Moswento, Kvng, Coin945, Mark Miller, Evad37, Buffbills7701, GiantSnowman, Melody Lavender, EMachine03, EuroCarGT, CSJJ104, Cloudz679, Iselilja, Khamar [ping list 1 of 2: edit] @Finnusertop, Tomásdearg92, CSJJ104, Davey2010, Stuartyeates, Gongshow, Jim Carter - Public, SL93, MrWooHoo, The boss 1998, Qwertyxp2000, Bananasoldier [ping list 2 of 2: edit], and others (anyone can participate!):

The following articles have been randomly chosen from the holding area:

Votes (week 7)

Please indicate, before 23:59 UTC Saturday, your top three preferences in order: your top pick first, then your second choice, and then your third. These will be allocated 3, 2, and 1 points respectively, and the most popular article (with the most points) will be added to the scheduled for week 6 of 2015. Articles receiving 3 points or less will be archived. On behalf of the TAFI project, --NickPenguin(contribs) 18:16, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Results:

Result was Stadium, thanks everyone. --NickPenguin(contribs) 23:55, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Comments (week 7)[edit]

  • Who is going to update the archiving of the other unsuccessful nominations last week/two weeks ago? Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 01:37, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
I archived the articles from the vote ending on Jan 3, those were the only unarchived items. --NickPenguin(contribs) 05:02, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
Don't forget to take away those articles that are already chosen. Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 05:26, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
  • @NickPenguin: - You may vote too. Or is this against the rules for the host/hostess to vote? Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 05:25, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
You voted on Week 46 of 2014. Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 06:53, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
Don't worry about me, I have all week. --NickPenguin(contribs) 13:40, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
  • Finally! A new voting session! School kept me distracted from Wikipedia so this is my reward for coming back! EMachine03 (talk) 21:57, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
  • Who is going to archive the other unsuccessful articles? Don't forget to take away the articles already chosen. Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 08:47, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Cluebot III change what it says[edit]

ClueBot III should say the same comment when he makes a change, but that "(Archiving 11 discussions to Wikipedia:Today's articles for improvement/Nominations/Archives/Archive 1)" is outdated. Why not make him change to say "(...Archive 2)" instead? Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 01:35, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Edit summaries can't be adjusted after the edit has been made. The 11 articles were archived by the bot to /Archive 1, but then manually moved to /Archive 2, and the archive settings were adjusted to limit the archives' page sizes. The bot's next edit [1] did say "Archiving 1 discussion to Wikipedia:Today's articles for improvement/Nominations/Archives/Archive 2. (BOT)" - Evad37 [talk] 03:07, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
By the way, can you change him just so that he could archive to Archive 2? Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 03:24, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
That's already been done, hence the edit I linked to above which archived Cloud robotics to /Archive 2. In the future the bot will automatically update the settings to use the next archive number whenever the current archive reaches 100kb in size - Evad37 [talk] 05:57, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Update![edit]

Who's going to update WP:TAFIACCOMP? Updating that page is so tedious. Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 05:28, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Yes, it really is quite tedious. I have previously submitted a bot proposal that included this, but at the time there were no takers. Maybe you could try again? The most recent request is here, if you put it in your own words and resubmit the request maybe someone will take up the task. --NickPenguin(contribs) 13:43, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
OK... Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 20:22, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Update the marking the articles[edit]

Who has checked the marking of articles? I marked Natural phenomenon, Skyline and Dishwashing liquid. Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 08:31, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

One hopes that the marking of articles is being done meticulously and does not need checking, but I guess there is no harm in checking that is the case, if someone competent has the time.SovalValtos (talk) 08:37, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Nomination page lacking input[edit]

The Nominations page has been lagging lately, both in terms of editor input and new nominations. What can we do to encourage more activity there? NORTH AMERICA1000 02:41, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

While there are lots of articles that could be improved by our project, we do have a large number of articles we have already identified. For me, I haven't felt the need to research new candidates because we have so many at the current moment. As an aside, I have been considering the improvability of some of the articles currently in the holding area. In general, it seems the less content there is to start with, the more momentum the improvement drive gets, and they generally finish off great, as opposed to some of the more developed articles that have seen essentially surface improvements. --NickPenguin(contribs) 03:36, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
👍 Bananasoldier likes this
I have only been involved slightly for a short while but my observations suggest NickPenguin(contribs) is right in saying the less developed articles are the most fruitful candidates. Where the structure needs expansion to cover the different aspects of the subject, more scope is given for dramatic improvement. That is not to say that well developed articles could not benefit from a rather different type of editing, to polish them into higher categories. So a choice between showy or more subtle returns from effort. Different editors with different skills will choose the type of improvements they are best suited to making. I for one do not have the skills needed for every article, so abstain.
Another point is that the longer it is between being nominated and being selected, or being cleared into the outer darkness of the holding area archive, the less likely it is that the article is in need of TAFI, as substantial changes may have been made in the interim. No harm done then in having few waiting.
So finally answering NORTH AMERICA1000 's questions; leaving new nominations until they run short will probably encourage more as they are needed, and as far as editor input is concerned, so long as there is enough to get the job done, so be it. SovalValtos (talk) 09:06, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
How come the process flow chart has changed since I was looking at it a few hours ago, without anything in the edit history? The holding area archive is no longer shown.SovalValtos (talk) 13:00, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
Were you perhaps looking at the Wikipedia:Today's articles for improvement/Archives flow chart before? - Evad37 [talk] 13:13, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
User:Evad37 That may well have been it. Thanks for bothering with my incompetence.SovalValtos (talk) 16:23, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

What counts as prose?[edit]

Prose is words, but I are you sure that it is the number of bytes for article words only (excluding the captions, reference names, etc.)? Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 06:39, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

@Qwertyxp2000: yeah it only applies to bytes in terms of article words (excluding captions, ref names). If you go to an article, there's a button on the left side under "tools" called "DYK check" and it'll highlight all the prose and give a #. Bananasoldier (talk) 06:42, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
@Bananasoldier: Where is the "button". Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 06:46, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
@Qwertyxp2000: See Wikipedia:Did you know/DYKcheck - Evad37 [talk] 10:28, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
@Qwertyxp2000, Evad37: Oh! I probably installed it a long time ago and forgot. Sorry about that :P Bananasoldier (talk) 16:10, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Choose the TAFI article for Week 8 of 2015[edit]

The following discussion is closed and will soon be archived.

Hello @Buster7, Northamerica1000, NickPenguin, Whiteghost.ink, Ypnypn, Madalibi, Moswento, Kvng, Coin945, Mark Miller, Evad37, Buffbills7701, GiantSnowman, Melody Lavender, EMachine03, EuroCarGT, CSJJ104, Cloudz679, Iselilja, Khamar [ping list 1 of 2: edit] @Finnusertop, Tomásdearg92, CSJJ104, Davey2010, Stuartyeates, Gongshow, Jim Carter - Public, SL93, MrWooHoo, The boss 1998, Qwertyxp2000, Bananasoldier [ping list 2 of 2: edit], and others (anyone can participate!):

The following articles have been randomly chosen from the holding area:

Please indicate, before 23:59 UTC Saturday, your top three preferences in order: your top pick first, then your second choice, and then your third. These will be allocated 3, 2, and 1 points respectively, and the most popular article (with the most points) will be added to the scheduled for week 8 of 2015. Articles receiving 3 points or less will be archived. On behalf of the TAFI project, --NickPenguin(contribs) 00:02, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Votes (week 8)

Results:

Result was Ice cream parlor, thanks everyone. --NickPenguin(contribs) 16:17, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Comments (week 8)[edit]

  • I will be having a WikiBreak from 21st January to 29th January 2015. Luckily, I will be here for next week's votings by the time I get back. Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 20:44, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Mark some articles[edit]

@Evad37: You should mark History of Mongolia and Prose, once prose has done TAFI. I will not be here for the next weeks and I will be having a holiday. Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 05:26, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Choose the TAFI article for Week 9 of 2015[edit]

Hello @Buster7, Northamerica1000, NickPenguin, Whiteghost.ink, Ypnypn, Madalibi, Moswento, Kvng, Coin945, Mark Miller, Evad37, Buffbills7701, GiantSnowman, Melody Lavender, EMachine03, EuroCarGT, CSJJ104, Cloudz679, Iselilja, Khamar [ping list 1 of 2: edit] @Finnusertop, Tomásdearg92, CSJJ104, Davey2010, Stuartyeates, Gongshow, Jim Carter - Public, SL93, MrWooHoo, The boss 1998, Qwertyxp2000, Bananasoldier [ping list 2 of 2: edit], and others (anyone can participate!):

The following articles have been randomly chosen from the holding area:

Please indicate, before 23:59 UTC Saturday, your top three preferences in order: your top pick first, then your second choice, and then your third. These will be allocated 3, 2, and 1 points respectively, and the most popular article (with the most points) will be added to the scheduled for week 9 of 2015. Articles receiving 3 points or less will be archived. On behalf of the TAFI project, --NickPenguin(contribs) 16:28, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Votes (week 9)[edit]

Comments (week 9)[edit]

  • We are talking about the Ruler as in the measuring tool. Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 21:21, 28 January 2015 (UTC)