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Notes[edit]

I don't know if Festivus should've been removed from this template. I mean, it's entered our culture so deeply at this point that there's little reason to not call it an official holiday. Huh (talk) 18:07, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

How the heck is Festivus a fictional holiday?![edit]

Perhaps everyone who has reverted my edits to this template have not read the page in question, hmmm? The page clearly states that Festivus is NOT a fictional holiday, and that it is celebrated across the country. It was not invented for that Seinfeld episode- that episode just popularized the holiday. Huh (talk) 15:33, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Yet this is not verified by a third party source. Has not wikipedia any standards? Rhetth (talk) 17:56, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
Again, have you not read the page? Just about everything on the Festivus article is backed by references. The page is chock-full of references! Festivus is acknoweleged and celebrated by people across the country, and there's references to prove it. This is hardly a fictional holiday, and the next time Festivus is removed from this template with no better reason than "remove fictional holiday", I'll have to do something drastic. Huh (talk) 11:46, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
You do not have consensus to add this, and you have not provided a source that lists Festivus as a U.S. holiday, as requested above. I am removing it again until you make an effort to establish consensus on this talk page. BradV 16:47, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

I would dispute adding Festivus to this template. Talk like a pirate day is a holiday, it is even listed on my civic calendar; Towel day is an international "holiday", probably has an equal following. I would dispute any of these of these being added to this template. Yngvarr (t) (c) 02:03, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Festivus is a holiday celebrated in the U.S. Proof: [1] Basically the article is about the Festivus Pole that is set up outside the Illinois State Capitol. There is also this article [2] about students at Broward College. And for the mother of all proof [3] an article talking about how Festivus has become over-commercialized... a complaint about nearly every other holiday. That's my two cents... I think it should be put back.
-- RandorXeus. Remember to Be Bold! 06:13, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
That's all nice, but it still doesn't lend credence. As I said above, Talk Like a Pirate day is on my civic calender, and our offices celebrate it, along with National Hot Dog Day, and a host of other "holidays". Going to need more evidence to legitimize Festivus other than a collage fad, another civic phenomena and a satire piece. Yngvarr (t) (c) 15:18, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
So you're argument is that since Talk Like a Pirate Day isn't on this list, Festivus shouldn't be either? If anything, Talk Like a Pirate Day should be included, and Superbowl Sunday should be removed. There is more festivities associated with becoming a pirate for a day. And does the fact that multiple state or local governments have accepted it, and even voted to allow decorations on public property not show how it is legitimate?
Okay, maybe I'm just confused to what sort of evidence you want to show that it is not just "a college fad, another civic phenomena and a satire piece?" Other than what I've stated already, I cannot prove any more how Fesitvus is a holiday than how I could Arbor Day or Superbowl Sunday. What makes a holiday a holiday anyways? Valentine's Day became popular because of greeting card companies, so what is wrong with a holiday becoming popular from a television show?
-- RandorXeus. Remember to Be Bold! 16:29, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

It seems Festivus has grown in stature every year, and deserves a place on the list. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:39, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Article protected[edit]

I've protected the article to prevent further edit warring; please discuss the the matter on a talk page. Thanks, –Juliancolton Happy Holidays 16:54, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Needs Work[edit]

Since this is a template for US Holidays, it seems as if we should be linking to articles or sections about how that holiday is celebrated in the United States. It seems odd to click on one of the links and go to a page that just has one sentence and then sections for each region. Instead, I think the template should just link to the respective sections. Not all of them would have to be changed, only a few:

  1. Arbor Day#United States
  2. Father's Day#United States
  3. Mardi Gras#United States
  4. Cinco de Mayo#United States
  5. Children's Day#United States of America
  6. Christmas Eve#North America
  7. May Day#Americas
  8. Saint Patrick's Day#In the United States

Also, a few link to disambiguation or redirect pages. These include

  1. Fourth of July should link to Independence Day (United States)
  2. Flag Day should link to Flag Day in the United States
  3. Election Day should link to Election Day (United States)
  4. Mother's Day should link to Mother's Day (United States)
  5. Presidents Day and Washington's Birthday should be merged, since Presidents Day (United States) redirects to Washington's Birthday

Also, if we have Christmas Eve listed as a holiday, we need to include New Year's Eve.

If you were to do everything that I listed above, the new code would look like this:

{{Navbox
|name = US Holidays
|title = Holidays, Observances, and Celebrations in the United States of America
|titlestyle=background:#DDD4A5;
|groupstyle=background:#CCC3D5;
|image= [[Image:The Christmas carol.jpg|120px|Family Christmas]]
|group1=
|list1= [[April Fool's Day]] • [[Arbor Day#United States|Arbor Day]] • [[Children's Day#United States of America|Children's Day]] • [[Christmas|Christmas Day]] • [[Christmas Eve#North America|Christmas Eve]] • [[Cinco de Mayo#United States|Cinco de Mayo]] • [[Columbus Day]] <p> [[Earth Day]] • [[Easter]] • [[Election Day (United States)|Election Day]] • [[Father's Day#United States|Father's Day]] • [[Flag Day in the United States|Flag Day]] • [[Independence Day (United States)|Fourth of July]] <p> [[Groundhog Day]] • [[Grandparent's Day]] • [[Halloween]] • [[Kwanzaa]] • [[Labor Day]] • [[Lincoln's Birthday]] <p> [[Martin Luther King, Jr. Day]] • [[Mardi Gras#United States|Mardi Gras]] • [[May Day#Americas|May Day]] • [[Memorial Day]] • [[Mother's Day (United States)|Mother's Day]] <p> [[New Year's Day]] • [[New Year's Eve]] • [[Patriot's Day]] • [[Saint Patrick's Day#In the United States|St. Patrick's Day]] • [[Super Bowl Sunday]] • [[Thanksgiving]] <p> [[Valentine's Day]] • [[Veterans Day]] • [[Washington's Birthday|Presidents Day/Washington's Birthday]] • [[Yom Kippur]]
}}
<noinclude>
[[Category:Holidays|{{PAGENAME}}]]
</noinclude>
}}

Thanks! -- RandorXeus. Remember to Be Bold! 23:07, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Wouldn't Hanukkah be a U.S. Holiday?[edit]

I think that Hanukkah should be added to this list. There are many people in America who observe this holiday. Because of the other religious holidays that are included in this navbox, Hanukkah definitely meets the requirements. Is there any reason why we shouldn't add it?

-- RandorXeus. Remember to Be Bold! 07:30, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Dyngus Day[edit]

Need to add Dyngus Day to this list. Its an important Polish-American holiday, particularly in Northern Indiana and New York, but is growing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.115.155.55 (talk) 18:16, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

I would not even consider it a possibility. I never even heard of it and these are well known holidays. --EveryDayJoe45 (talk) 22:50, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

"Fourth of July" is not a thing.[edit]

It's Independence Day. Fourth of July is the date. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.33.32.75 (talk) 23:46, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Black Friday[edit]

Black Friday (shopping) is not a holiday, an observance, or a celebration in the United States of America and should not be included on this list. --Wolfer68 (talk) 20:45, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Actually it is. If it wasn't then what country is it present in? And if it isn't present anywhere, then why does it have a page? The Term Black Fridayis denoted for a specific date is it not? Is it a holiday? no. Is it an observence? absolutely. And its an observance soley in America following the American thanksgiving. I usually don't like to be an "ass", but you are absolutely wrong, and the way you're being arrogant about it makes it much worse. --EveryDayJoe45 (talk) 21:57, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
Wow. All I said was it is not a holiday and should not be on the list. How is stating my opinion being arrogant? Kind of overreactiing, aren't you? Note that I did not try to revert my change, after Black Friday was put back in, and I came here to add it to discussion. Please define though how we observe Black Friday. It's the day after a major holiday when a lot of people begin their Christmas shopping and retailers try to lure them to their stores. That's it. This really should be put up to a consensus. --Wolfer68 (talk) 00:08, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
It should not be included. It is a retail phenomena. Having an article does not signify holiday status. I don't recall there being "celebrations" for Black Friday. And while I've never intersected with Wolfer68, gonna have to agree with his assessment of your attack on him. Yngvarr (t) (c) 00:22, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
Its an observance, therefore it should stay. And the fact that it is indigenous to the US makes it even more note-worthy. And I would say it definitely is "celebrated". I don't know what you consider "celebrated", but how exactly does one celebrate Columbus Day? should we remove that too? --Tool academy (talk) 01:19, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
i really shouldn't have added that to the above comment, thats my bad. I'll just put it here. to answer the question heres how we celebrate it. "by having sales on cars at the local dealership? Whoaa that sound awfully familiar...". and its true Columbus day is a federal holiday, but if you're going by how we celbrate it, the above is a beautiful point. And if your only adding fed holidays, be prepared to eliminate basically the entire list. --EveryDayJoe45 (talk) 01:59, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
Columbus Day is an observance and, in fact, there are many Italians who do celebrate the day as part of their heritage. It seems that there may be other observances then that are missing from the list that would seem to fit the criteria, such as Opening Day and Tax Day. --Wolfer68 (talk) 08:35, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
first off, sorry for snapping earlier. I was in a bad mood earlier. But now to go along with your statement. Black Friday is an observance in Ameica. Theres no way you, Yngvarr, or anyone else is going to chabge that. Now if you want to change the template to read, "Holidays and Celbrations" instead of "Holidays, Observances and Celebrations", feel free, but good luck. --EveryDayJoe45 (talk) 17:49, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
Not gonna argue with you. The point is that there is no consensus for adding Black Friday to this template. Yngvarr (t) (c) 19:10, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
Black Friday is celebrated by people taking off work and waiting outside stores for several hours. Just waiting for them to open at sometimes 5am. It has become a tailgate party of sorts around here. Very much an observed day. Holiday? Maybe not but it's very close. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Softdaddy (talkcontribs) 04:25, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Mischief night[edit]

I'd also argue that Mischief night does not belong in this template. Reading the article, it seems something more common in Europe and Canada and only regionally done in the U.S. It's not really a well-known event. Senior Skip Day could as well be considered an observance more well known and celebrated within the U.S. --Wolfer68 (talk) 17:43, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

This falls into place with the one above, only this one is more reasonable, and I can see why you are against it. --EveryDayJoe45 (talk) 17:45, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
Mischief night? Far more people celebrate Festivus and Talk Like a Pirate Day yet they list Mischief night? Without verifiable sources to cite, I would say America observes it on Halloween, therefore its not an American Holiday at all because it is observed as a general part of Halloween. I don't mean to beat a dead horse, but if they list Mischief night, then Festivus should be listed as well.69.198.39.26 (talk) 19:55, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

May Day[edit]

Inquiring about the failure to include May Day as a (non-federal) US Holiday. It belongs here. Richard Myers (talk) 17:45, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

I have added May Day. Richard Myers (talk) 00:35, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Festivus (again)[edit]

I know there has already been a previous discussion on Festivus, but I would like us to revisit the issue. I simply don't think it should be included. Its article consists mainly of an in-universe (i.e. the Seinfeld universe) description of the holiday, then an extended "in popular culture" section that describes several people who received news attention for celebrating the holiday. I see nothing sourced that indicates that this holiday is widely practiced, but rather sourced isolated incidents. Surely the threshold for what is listed in this template is higher than that. Kansan (talk) 22:26, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Split into Days, Weeks, Months[edit]

I've been bold and split the holidays into three groups: Days, Weeks (or multiple weeks, shorter than a month), and Months. Objections? - dcljr (talk) 18:04, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

New Jersey Day is not a legal New Jersey Holiday[edit]

Per the NJ Dept. of State website, New Jersey Day is not a legal holiday. I think it should be removed. [4]. Roodog2k (talk) 18:41, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

RFC: What is the scope?[edit]

There is a clear (albeit limited) consensus, that template should be used in the following instances:

  • Declared official U.S. holidays
  • Declared official U.S. week-long observances
  • Proposed U.S. month-long observances

Armbrust The Homunculus 10:17, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

What holidays should be on this template of U.S. Holidays? Please list the following that you think is appropriate. Binksternet (talk) 05:03, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

  1. Declared official U.S. holidays
  2. Proposed U.S. holidays
  3. Declared official U.S. week-long observances
  4. Proposed U.S. week-long observances
  5. Declared official U.S. month-long observances
  6. Proposed U.S. month-long observances
  7. Previous official holidays, weeks, months
  8. Regional or multi-state holidays
  9. Single state holidays
  10. Month-long observances that are not federal
  11. Unofficial holidays and celebrations that some Americans observe

Discussion[edit]

  • 1, 3, 5 As the name of the article suggests, there should only be declared national U.S. holidays included. Single state holidays or proposed holidays do not belong on this page but instead could be placed into specific sub-articles, where they would fit in better. Maybe a page titled, Proposed U.S. Holidays could be introduced to include the holidays that don't find their way onto this page. Also, I think it would make sense to add the state-by-state holidays into their associated state's page. Meatsgains (talk) 19:55, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.


Darwin Day[edit]

How about it? Template-worthy or no? 71.236.253.188 (talk) 23:58, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Notable enough to have it's own page, which it does, but not enough to have a spot on the template for U.S. holidays. Maybe other users will disagree with me. Meatsgains (talk) 00:23, 13 March 2014 (UTC)