Template talk:UK home nations police forces

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Size[edit]

This is a large, dominating template; it might be notable how Australian university templates can be hidden and expanded when required, see University of Western Australia for instance and the bottom of the article has three templates that hide and expand. Djegan 18:59, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes. This template has expanded too much! It needs to be limited to the main territorial forces for each region. MRSC 14:45, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Jurisdictions[edit]

There appears to be a fight over jurisdictions with this infobox. To separate out Scottish forces into separate areas is pointless. There are only eight of them and Scotland is a single legal jurisdiction. England and Wales are a single jurisdiction. Wales is not a separate legal jurisdiction from England. Constables are sworn with jurisdiction in England and Wales as an area. The forces of England and Wales are too numerous to be listed as a single wodge and so breaking them down by region makes sense. Legally Wales is a region of England and Wales. David Newton 22:11, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree. In addition the regional splits used are bogus - Lothian & Borders area might well cover the borders area, but it also covers a big area of the Central Belt. /wangi 12:45, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Hammersfan, I've reverted your edit which placed the Scottish links on two lines. You do not know a users screen-width, and I do not know yours - best to leave the web-browser to flow the text so it fits into a users screen as best it can. The manual 2 line split does not look too good. I also removed the generic coutry links - they do not link to anything specific about the topic of the template, and therefore simply just clutter the display. Thanks/wangi 14:22, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

It's got bigger again[edit]

Why does this template need to be so dominating. And why are flags in there? What purpose do they serve? Some are featured twice! I'm going to restore a simple, elegant solution. MRSC 14:21, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Only thing i'd say against your version is that the order of entries doesn't make sense, and especially having the north and london on the same line. thanks/wangi 15:15, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
The order doesn't matter too much to me, so perhaps you could edit that version. It just needs to economically use the space. MRSC 16:56, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
Forgive me, but I really don't think dominating is a particularly apt description for this template. It is not dominating - it has the same number of lines with it centered as if the text were to the left, but it looks better, because any lines that have too many entries (i.e. Scotland) now sit nicely on a single line no matter what screen settings a person might have. As regards naming - Central is not the right way to list the Central Scotland force - one might just as well put North and South as the entires for the two Welsh forces. Likewise, although everyone would colloquially use City to describe the City of London force, it should be called City of London on something like this. Hammersfan 12/7/06, 17.30 BST
No problem with changing any of the links. My main concern is that as a footer template it was just as long (or longer) than some of the articles it was placed in; thus dominating the article. MRSC 17:07, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
It's common in Scotland to simply say "Central" when refering to both the old Central Scotland region and Central Scotland Police. I find it strange you don't have a similar problem with "Northern"?!? Left vs centered is a matter of personal taste, nothing more.
Can someone explain to the ordering of the regions - nothing obvious jumps out at me. Thanks/wangi 16:33, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
Alphabetical I guess. MRSC 17:09, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
I think that edit so it's all on one line is going in the right direction. I've just removed the English regions and alpha-sorted the English forces - one one line the sub-division of England doesn't make sense and slows down a user findind what they want. Thanks/wangi 18:07, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
Yes its much better now. MRSC 20:21, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Hammersfan, I've just reverted your edit which re-instated line breaks. I think we've got to a stage where a number of people agree (largely) on the template (certainly Mrsteviec, Astrotrain, myself)... Can you try and talk over your concerns first rather than jumping right in? It's not good having the template this volatile. Thanks/wangi 13:00, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

OK, how about this. Here's how it looks now:


Police forces in the United Kingdom Flag of the United Kingdom.svg

England: Avon and Somerset | Bedfordshire | Cambridgeshire | Cheshire | City of London | Cleveland | Cumbria | Derbyshire | Devon and Cornwall | Dorset | Durham | Essex | Gloucestershire | Greater Manchester | Hampshire | Hertfordshire | Humberside | Kent | Lancashire | Leicestershire | Lincolnshire | Merseyside | Metropolitan | Norfolk | North Yorkshire | Northamptonshire | Northumbria | Nottinghamshire | South Yorkshire | Staffordshire | Suffolk | Surrey | Sussex | Thames Valley | Warwickshire | West Mercia | West Midlands | West Yorkshire | Wiltshire | Wales: Dyfed-Powys | Gwent | North Wales | South Wales | Scotland: Central | Dumfries and Galloway | Fife | Grampian | Lothian and Borders | Northern | SDEA | Strathclyde | Tayside | Northern Ireland: Police Service of Northern Ireland | UK-wide: British Transport | Civil Nuclear | Ministry of Defence | SOCA

Here's how I believe it should be:

Police forces in the United Kingdom Flag of the United Kingdom.svg

England:
Avon and Somerset | Bedfordshire | Cambridgeshire | Cheshire | City of London | Cleveland | Cumbria | Derbyshire | Devon and Cornwall | Dorset | Durham | Essex | Gloucestershire | Greater Manchester | Hampshire | Hertfordshire | Humberside | Kent | Lancashire | Leicestershire | Lincolnshire | Merseyside | Metropolitan | Norfolk | North Yorkshire | Northamptonshire | Northumbria | Nottinghamshire | South Yorkshire | Staffordshire | Suffolk | Surrey | Sussex | Thames Valley | Warwickshire | West Mercia | West Midlands | West Yorkshire | Wiltshire
Wales:
Dyfed-Powys | Gwent | North Wales | South Wales
Scotland:
Central Scotland | Dumfries and Galloway | Fife | Grampian | Lothian and Borders | Northern | SDEA | Strathclyde | Tayside
Northern Ireland:
Police Service of Northern Ireland
UK-wide:
British Transport | Civil Nuclear | Ministry of Defence | SOCA

I'd appreciate opinions as to which of these is clearer and easier to navigate Hammersfan 13/07/06

With regards to the flag icon I don't mind. Of the two options above I find the first more appropriate - it is smaller (half the size roughly) and makes better use of the available space. Thanks/wangi 13:25, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Surely though clarity should be a more important factor than use of space. Hammersfan 13/07/06, 14.40 BST
I think they're both clear. I've put a pointer to this discussion on Talk:Policing in the United Kingdom and Talk:List of police forces in the United Kingdom. Thanks/wangi 13:45, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
The flag doesn't really matter but option 1 is definitely better. It's only a footer and should use an economy of space. MRSC 22:15, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
In that case, perhaps we should dispense with categorising by country and just have one single alphabetical list - after all, each article page has a map to show whether the force is from England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland or a national one. Hammersfan 14/07/06, 15.30 BST


Police forces in the United Kingdom Flag of the United Kingdom.svg

Avon and Somerset | Bedfordshire | British Transport | Cambridgeshire | Central Scotland | Cheshire | City of London | Civil Nuclear | Cleveland | Cumbria | Derbyshire | Devon and Cornwall | Dorset | Dumfries and Galloway | Durham | Dyfed-Powys | Essex | Fife | Gloucestershire | Grampian | Greater Manchester | Gwent | Hampshire | Hertfordshire | Humberside | Kent | Lancashire | Leicestershire | Lincolnshire | Lothian and Borders | Merseyside | Metropolitan | Ministry of Defence | Norfolk | North Wales | North Yorkshire | Northamptonshire | Northern | Northumbria | Nottinghamshire | Police Service of Northern Ireland | SDEA | SOCA | South Wales | South Yorkshire | Staffordshire | Strathclyde | Suffolk | Surrey | Sussex | Tayside | Thames Valley | Warwickshire | West Mercia | West Midlands | West Yorkshire | Wiltshire |

"I suggest you see discussion - no objection raised in seven days to this layout."
Nor any support ;) You've got people above saying they're happy with the version all on one line with country divisions - lets just leave it like that eh? It confuses the matter too that the edit was with an IP account. Thanks/wangi 12:39, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
My vote (as before) is to leave as is. MRSC 13:40, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

{{UK Police1}}[edit]

I'm surprised (or perhaps not, since it's obviously not important enough) that no one has objected to the layout of the {{UK Police1}} template. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 129.31.40.145 (talkcontribs) 2006-07-25 09:55:42 (UTC)

See Template talk:UK Police1#Reformat. Thanks/wangi 09:18, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Further detail[edit]

This template shows the main territorial forces for the UK. It does this rather well. There is a lot of further information it could show, however there needs to be discussion here about what that should be. I am of the opinion that adding anything further needlessly clutters the template and creates redundancy with Policing in the United Kingdom or List of police forces in the United Kingdom, which is a far more suitable forum to elaborate on details of current police operations. MRSC 12:21, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Other agencies[edit]

Somewhere, maybe not here, we should include Border and Immigration Agency, Health and Safety Executive, Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs and Serious Fraud Office (UK). ninety:one 11:18, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Multi-force agencies[edit]

I'm thinking that agencies such as the Central Motorway Police Group should have their own group in the table (named something like "Regional units" of "Joint agencies", rather than being in the footer bar of the table. If no-one objects I'll implement this change in a few days. --RFBailey (talk) 20:47, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

No-one said anything, so I went ahead. --RFBailey (talk) 19:16, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
Seems a bit odd only two forces get listed when there are about a dozen on Road Policing Unit. Shouldn't all be listed (perhaps via a single link) or none for consistency? Deku-shrub (talk) 09:56, 5 April 2014 (UTC)