Template talk:Ukrainians

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Trident[edit]

I think we may use a different pic than the trident here. The national CoA is a symbol of the state, not the ethnic group. Not sure what other image to use though. --Irpen 00:51, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, but still, if you look at {{Albanians}}, {{Bosniaks}}, {{Bulgarians}}, and {{Montenegrins}} they use either CoA or Flag.. —dima/s-ko/ 00:53, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Now, over a year later some users are trying to remove this. Either the coat of arms or the flag should be included. I realize some users would rather have the Russian flag or the Russian coat of arms, but that is simply not going to happen. Ostap 23:35, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
Another edit war... *sigh* I don't really see why the Coat of arms is such a big problem in the template. Yes, it's the symbol of the state, but it represents Ukrainians. We can of course, place another image in there, but what shall it be? Like I mentioned above, other templates like {{Albanians}}, {{Bosniaks}}, {{Bulgarians}} and {{Montenegrins}} all use the COA of their respective states. Please no more editwarring until we discuss this and come upon a consensus. —dima/talk/ 15:46, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Does this replace Template:Ukraine topics? Also, closely related peoples is a weird category heading, but I know what you were going for.--tufkaa 04:02, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

No. I see that they have similarities (culture and language links), but this is specifically for Ukrainian peoples. Its basicly just like Template:History of Ukraine which too has similar links with {{Ukraine topics}}. Closely related peoples is weird cat. heading but it is better than subgroups, but that might be POV. Do you have any suggestions for different heading? —dima/s-ko/ 04:14, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Cossacks...closely related???[edit]

Treating Cossacks on the same scope as Hutsuls and Lemkos is in my opinion quite ORish, let's not forget that it is a broad term, and one that is not necessary representative of Ukrainians. I for one am not Ukrainian and nonetheless a Cossack, something that I doubt you will be able to say for a Hutsul. Lastly if for Russians, Cossacks are treated on ethnical level, then in Ukraine Cossack would be a term of purely cultural value. Also I wonder why there is no Boikos or for that matter any links to Slavs?--Kuban Cossack 16:48, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

I am not sure about this whole category as the issue is politicized and there is no single NPOV version whether Lemkos, Rusyns, etc and a subgroups of the Ukrainian nation or separate groups. Generally I am no fan of templates except in clear-cut cases. --Irpen 16:56, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Yes, but I listed the category as "closely related peoples," and not as "subgroups" (which could be POV). Would changing the title to "Related peoples" make it more neutral? I agree that Cossacks are not on the same scope as Hutsuls and Lemkos, but they are related to Ukrainians. The term is broad, but Cossacks can be just as well be Ukrainian, Russian, ect... If anyone wishes to create a {{Russians}} template, then they may just as well add Cossacks into a "related peoples" group.. —dima/s-ko/ 21:55, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Ukrainian nationalist POV pushers, stop[edit]

A few users already told you to stop entering the Ukrainian state symbol to the series of articles talking about Ukrainian ethnicity.

Again, for the extremely not understanding:

is s citizen symbol. An ethnic Jew citizen of Ukraine, for example, also identifies with it. At the opossite, an ethnic Ukrainian 5 generation in the US wont identifie with it.

If you want an image their use an image of Ukrainians in their national closing. That's something all Ukrainians wil identify with! A state citizen talks only to citizens of the state.

MVEi, this is getting tiring. Please stop reverting this. Ostap 22:06, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Hillock's sock, stop you ignored the explanation above so there's no use talking with you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.180.136.169 (talk) 12:37, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
Well, you have just confirmed that you are MVEi! You ignored the talk above, and instead added a Soviet image. Ostap 22:19, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Judaism as religion of Ukrainians[edit]

This template is for ethnic group, not population of Ukraine. Judaism in Ukraine is only a religion of Jews and maybe not numerous Krymchaks. Tina Karol is also Jewish, not Ukrainian.--Riwnodennyk 14:45, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Roman Catholicism, Eastern Orthodox and Greek Catholicism are not an ethnic groups either. Religion and ethnicity are 2 different things, religion and ethnicity and nationality are 3 different things (hence Tina Karol is Ukrainian). At least these are my views, and I (can't help to) hope it will be/is the view of the rest of the world (cause that will save us a lot of fighting).
Or am I completely missing your point?
Mariah-Yulia (talk) 15:24, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
I absolutely agree with you! If this template is about all peoples of Ukraine, then obvious we should mention Judaism among the main religions of Ukraine. However, for example, Canadian Ukrainian and Pannonian Rusyn, that are spoken by ethnic Ukrainians and outside Ukraine, are there and it looks like this template is about Ukrainians as ethic group. IMHO, besides Eastern Orthodox and Greek Catholicism we maybe can mention Protestantism as popular religion of ethnic Ukrainians, not Roman Catholicism. --Riwnodennyk 15:41, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

I see, sorry for the confusion. Well I'm not sure now what to think... maybe it is best to wait for some more feedback. — Mariah-Yulia (talk) 20:31, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

I am disappointed and offended that you have not included Ukrainian pagans into the religion section. Ridna Vira is a growing religious movement, a reversion to the beleifs of our forefathers. Temples have been constructed in many cities, not only in Ukraine but in the Diaspora. The holy book "Maha Vira" has been printed in numerous editions and has a wide following. Bandurist (talk) 20:59, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

I would put only Eastern Orthodox and Greek Catholicism. Ostap 23:05, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Maybe a footnote in the Template? Like: Other religions practised by citizens of Ukraine in Ukraine are Roman Catholicism, Judaism and Islam or something. Might be that more people confuse Ukrainians and Citizens of Ukraine then me ;) — Mariah-Yulia (talk)

Ukrainian Russian[edit]

Hi, I'm removing link to this page from the template because of the notability problems - no significant coverage in reliable sources. See page talk for details. --windyhead (talk) 09:50, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Rusyn is not Ukrainian dialect[edit]

Rusyn language is not dialect. It is a separate national group using Rusyn language, no dialect. Please remove it. Thx. --Sejanko (talk) 21:18, 22 October 2014 (UTC)